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09-04-2013 , 10:30 PM
I'll order my full list later, but for now, to narrow down things somewhat...

AngryPidgeon--scum.
Askthepizzaguy--scum.
Athexx
chrja
Devourer
fank009 (was scum, not as sure now)
Foolishness
Giga13--scum.
Infidel_PA
MNOWAX--scum.
Silkku
TheMango
Valar Morghulis
Verbal32--leaning scum.

{AP, Pizza, Giga, MNOWAX, Verbal} is a good start.
There's probably one or two others, from my understanding.

I'm considering fank. But that still leaves:

{Athexx, chrja, Devourer, Foolishness, Infidel, Silkku, Mango, Valar}.

Of them, I think that Foolishness might be town.
Have a similar feeling on Infidel and Mango, but need to double-check.
I had a read on Athexx, but I can't remember. (Was it town?)

If it wasn't already obvious, that narrows it down to...
{chrja, Devourer, Silkku, Valar}.
Three of which I can't remember a single post of.

The remainder is Devourer, who I remember having a distaste for.


Sooooooooo...

Preliminary scumteam callout at this point is

{AP, Pizza, Giga, MNOWAX, Verbal, fank009, Devourer}.

Still need to get stuff together, though. This isn't as solidified as it should be.
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09-04-2013 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Foolishness
I don't think it's an excuse now that he's posted. He's very direct in his thoughts. I can see where you guys are coming from, but it's definitely not enough to say he should be top lynch, especially after his long post of his which I reposted above.
Thats the thing with giga though. I don't think many people see him as their top or maybe even #2 lynch, but a LOT of people have him on the backlog scumpile and if my powers of diving the future are good (and they often are), hes the most likely compromise lynch right now.

Let me check that long post to see what you mean.
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09-04-2013 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
Yeah but he's town and we're just going to live with it.
I feel somewhat in the same boat, but I feel this post would be something to look at IF anstonio flips maf.

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Originally Posted by TheMango
traz, can you not vote for the same person right after I do. It makes it look really suspicious, thanks
Just a Question, Is it your actions that are suspicious, or is it Traz's actions that are suspicious? (yes traz is suspicious, but the way its written I feel that its written the other way...)

Weareking, just a Q, by live mafia, you mean chat mafia right? because I feel that between ~430-438, there's a bit of a misinterpretation.

My definition is as follows
Live mafia- playing in front of people real time
chat mafia- playing in a chat room in real time (10min day phases)
Forum mafia- playing on a forum (1-7 day phases)


Thoughts
Infidel-473, For a catch-up post, not a lot substance, a lot of fluff, and nothing really pushing to a vote (imo the anstonio vote is a tad weak), considering all the stuff thats been going on the previous 440 or so posts.

Traz... If I was to quote, every post That I disagree with of yours, I'd be able to right a 7 part novel... You're coming across as somewhat demanding, and like you have control of the game (who doesnt feel like they have control of the game in this game of champions?) I specifically Don't like your leans and your "assurity" of giga/MMO being partners/scum...

Goofball- you seem to have a style that weareking has in identifying scum/town , but you state your point in 140 characters or less... I dont know wether to be scared of those with substance, or to be scared in those without. Usually from what I've seen in my "career", Maf either post too much or not enough, and since your posting in that not enough category

DrippingGoofball,Would you care to give a reasoning to your one line leans???
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09-04-2013 , 10:34 PM
divining**
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09-04-2013 , 10:36 PM
AP do you think you could link me a town game of yours and a scum game of yours? Thanks
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09-04-2013 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
AP do you think you could link me a town game of yours and a scum game of yours? Thanks
This will not help you. I should be entrusted with reading AP. He's very transparent. I don't have a solid read on him yet. When I do, it will be 100% accurate.

I SEE YOUR SOUL ANGRY PIDGEON
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09-04-2013 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon
hes the most likely compromise lynch right now.
So, He's the best lynch target to go for, because he pleases everyones hunger for maf blood??? Could'nt he be more of a scapegoat? in that aspect then?
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09-04-2013 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fank009
So, He's the best lynch target to go for, because he pleases everyones hunger for maf blood??? Could'nt he be more of a scapegoat? in that aspect then?
That was my exact point a while ago >.>

That him showing up as a lot of people's backup scumread makes me less inclined to lynch him. His posts ARE objectively scummy though.

@DGB: I'm a hider, you see nothing : )
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09-04-2013 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fank009
...but you state your point in 140 characters or less...
Yes now I'm kinda sorting the wheat from the chaff. Don't worry when everything starts to congeal in my brain you'll get all the details.
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09-04-2013 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fank009
My definition is as follows
Live mafia- playing in front of people real time
chat mafia- playing in a chat room in real time (10min day phases)
Forum mafia- playing on a forum (1-7 day phases)
Yeah I meant chat mafia in this scenario, sorry for any confusion I may have caused. On a side note, 7 day-long day phases WTF.

I'll put Fank in my lean town reads atm I'm feeling much better about him the more he posts, maybe he's trying harder as scum to make up for his rocky beginning but atm I'll put him as weakish town.
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09-04-2013 , 10:47 PM
Ya, I did like Fank's follow up post to his Taylor post.
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09-04-2013 , 10:50 PM
@AP I'm going to sleep now, can you whip up enthusiasm for a Giga lynch while I'm gone?
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09-04-2013 , 10:50 PM
So giga normally plays live mafia or chat mafia? I've gotten lost somewhere in this conversation.
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09-04-2013 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
So giga normally plays live mafia or chat mafia? I've gotten lost somewhere in this conversation.
I would say chat is the answer your looking for, (but live mafia may/maynot be a possibility as well... but for the purpose of him being a champion, his history is in chat mafia)
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09-04-2013 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
@AP I'm going to sleep now, can you whip up enthusiasm for a Giga lynch while I'm gone?
Will it count if I just quote random posts of his and type words in all caps?
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09-04-2013 , 10:56 PM
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09-04-2013 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Foolishness
I don't think it's an excuse now that he's posted. He's very direct in his thoughts. I can see where you guys are coming from, but it's definitely not enough to say he should be top lynch, especially after his long post of his which I reposted above.
I already mentioned that post. He comments on the Taylor situation but doesn't take a stance on it, and gives mostly unexplained reads on pizza and binkles. Why is that townish?
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09-04-2013 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fank009
Traz... If I was to quote, every post That I disagree with of yours, I'd be able to right a 7 part novel... You're coming across as somewhat demanding, and like you have control of the game (who doesnt feel like they have control of the game in this game of champions?) I specifically Don't like your leans and your "assurity" of giga/MMO being partners/scum...
Yea well that's just how I roll dawg

also, I never said they were partners thought they could be
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09-04-2013 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mastin2
I don't exactly have the time to properly explain it. I wish I did, but right now, I don't. But it's already apparent to me. Pizza and AP are both pushing a scum agenda. They're lynching town targets and encouraging fights against town and not bonding to town players they would be bonding to as town.
-Cyan is not town and your read on him is terrible.

-I'm reaching out to who I want to, thanks. I'm enjoying the fresh faces.
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09-04-2013 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fank009
I would say chat is the answer your looking for, (but live mafia may/maynot be a possibility as well... but for the purpose of him being a champion, his history is in chat mafia)
I see.

My previous posts about him were based on the belief that he had only played live mafia.

I'd still stand behind what I said, but it seems weaker now.
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09-04-2013 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by traz
Yea well that's just how I roll dawg

also, I never said they were partners thought they could be
*though

also yea, chat WW is much different from live WW. Chat is kind of a tweener.
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09-04-2013 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMango
Ok, so looks like I'm at least half a day late to this thread, but here's what I have so far.

1.) Athexx asked some good questions that I'd like to know the answer to as well (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=103)

To add onto his list of questions, I'd like to add my own.:
a.) besides roleblocker, among the list of potential roles, can any/all of them belong to the mafia team? like can you have a bulletproof mafia, or a lover pair where one of them is mafia, etc?
b.) what are the rules on mod kill due to inactivity. If they dont post or vote in x days they are gone?
c.) how many night kills does the mafia team have. Does the # of nightkills go down when mafia hits x number of mafia alive?

As to Athexx asking helpful town questions doesnt remove him from the suspect list, so same goes for me I guess, but I'd rather ask these questions now as I think the answers are all important to town strategy.

2.) TaylorFitz - really didn't like how he started off posting. He soft claims a theme character, but then in the same post says that a theme is unlikely and its just good vs evil. How would he know that there's no theme when that was literally the 2nd post of the whole game and no one else confirmed their theme. At this point I'm getting really suspicious. He then advocates lynching vanilla town - which makes no sense to me. You lynch the people who are suspicious, you never want to lynch a town, regardless if they are a power role or not. At this point I'm thinking maybe he's mafia and/or bad at this game. He then justifies his play as 'thats how I usually play by walking the line', but then immediately in the next post he says he's regretting his play so far. He ends it by saying he did it on purpose to get reactions and possibly scum bait. Personally I think it's bad town play best case scenario and there are subtler and more effective ways of baiting and getting reactions. All he did was derail town discussion for 1-2 pages. My read on him so far: Bad town or bad mafia (lol)

3.) soah - not much other than I like him as town so far. His thinking on TaylorFitz is in line with my analysis. Other than his back and forth with TaylorFitz hasnt said much else, but he's started pressuring other people. I can't imagine I'd vote for him this round.

4.) Nana7 - Neutral on her so far. She's almost acting like as a disccusion moderator and prodding people to clarify their statements and very active in posting, but not contributing a whole lot of substance. Someone to keep an eye on I guess, but I wouldn't for her this round either.

5.) Weareking - suspicious that he has a strong read on TaylorFitz as a town, but otherwise his posts seem ok. Keep this in mind if TaylorFitz flips mafia.

I'll do the rest in a couple hours when I'm out of work.
I don't think anyone ever called this out.

So...

Pretty wolfy opener, by any metric. (My numbered points which follow do not correlate to the numbers in his post, fyi.)

1) Comes in with a lengthy, planned out post. Not spontaneous thought.

2) Ordering of the items in the post isn't natural. Starts with mechanics questions rather than the stuff he finds most interesting. (Or at least, I would certainly assume that a villager wouldn't find the mechanics questions most interesting.)

3) Writes a lot about Taylor, but most of it is simple narration. And after writing a huge paragraph, ends up with no conclusion.

4) Makes a number of other reads with really weak reasoning -- based on whether they agree with his thinking about Taylor. Aside from having me as a villager, he doesn't even reach a conclusion on the other two people he talks about.

5) Doesn't have any legitimate suspects... no one suspicious enough to warrant a vote.

So after writing a massive wall of text, he's said almost nothing noteworthy.

His other post of content is a little bit better, but not enough.
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09-04-2013 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon
I already mentioned that post. He comments on the Taylor situation but doesn't take a stance on it, and gives mostly unexplained reads on pizza and binkles. Why is that townish?
Here is the post again:
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Originally Posted by Giga13
Ok after reading everything here are my reads:

Taylor got a lot of attention early on and I think the reason for this was from past experience from other games, also because not many people were posting at that time that definitely contributed as well

I don't fos Taylor because of that and because most of Taylor's lines can be seen as null rather than something that definitely can scream town or scum.

Askthepizzaguy is ridiculously town. My gut tells me this and so does logic. He seems very open and unafraid, not hiding anything and I like his overall demeanor very much.

I also like Binkies for giving many reads early in the game. I feel like Mafia wouldn't attempt this from fear of getting challenged. But who knows, after all, this is a game of Mafia champions. My townread on Binkies isn't a strong one.
Giga did take a stance. At the beginning of the day Taylor was posting the most and people were suspicious of him for the reason of posting. If you read Taylor's posts, he didn't do anything that screams suspicion. Sure, he was a bit trolly in some posts, but he wasn't pushing an agenda or being incongruent. Now, this doesn't mean that Taylor isn't mafia, but the votes and suspicion against him at the beginning of the game should only be taken with a grain a salt.

Giga said this then said that Taylor hasn't done worth anything fingering suspicion over. Then Giga says that pizzaguy is town both on a gut read and because of his playstyle. Then Giga says that he has a town read on Binkies because he's putting himself out there and accusing a variety of people.

It's the fact that Giga is consistent and direct with his reads that makes him town. He's not a good lynch at all, nor is there a good case against him.

A lot of people have already brought forth the name, but MNOWAX is a prime lynch candidate for today. His first post feels incredibly forced (especially the last two sentences):
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Originally Posted by MNOWAX
Vote Fank009




A Policy lynch right there. No matter what, third on the first bandwagon is always scum. So who is with me? Time is wasting!
That's not something a town does or says. And earlier today he casts his vote without a word of reason.
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Originally Posted by MNOWAX
oh boy here we go. Yes I was being sarcastic, but I also said iit for an entirely different reason. one that will be important in future days.



LOL facts.



when I looked at the vote count you had hopped on in post 75. apparently i missed an unvote? whatever, it wasn't a serious vote. Don't get bent out of shape over it.



FWIW the only person who has EVER played with me is dripping Goofball in a MS game many years ago.




He never claimed Vanilla, what the hell are you talking about?



Vote TaylorFitz
MNOWAX - He's obviously trying to blend in to the town. His actions don't make sense from a town perspective; he's yet to contribute anything of value and his posts seem really forced.
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09-05-2013 , 12:00 AM
Votes from post 36 to post 524
Night in 20:00:58

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VotesLynchVoters
4 MNOWAX Foolishness (7), traz (34), TheMango (7), Cyan (5)
3 Anstonio Infidel_PA (1), Nana7 (32), marvellosity (33)
3 soah Giga13 (7), Athexx (2), TaylorFitz (27)
3 Giga13 DrippingGoofball (19), weareking (56), captain binkles (29)
2 Foolishness soah (34), AngryPidgeon (64)
2 Nana7 Anstonio (4), Verbal32 (13)
2 captain binkles Murska (7), Askthepizzaguy (40)
1 DrippingGoofball fank009 (14)
1 AngryPidgeon mastin2 (32)
1 TaylorFitz MNOWAX (5)
3 not voting Valar Morghulis (0), Silkku (0), chrja (0)
1 Error Devourer (3)
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