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09-20-2013 , 04:43 PM
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In the wide world of the internet, there are many lands. In some of these lands, a game is played. Some call it Mafia, others call it Werewolf. By any name and in any language, it is a game of cunning and deceit, of lies and the search for the truth. One one side is the village, the side of all that is good and right in the world, honest warriors seeking to ferret out the enemies in their midst. On the other side, the evil doers, whose goals are to deceive, and survive, and kill off the innocent villagers one by one.

While some individuals are gifted with other powers, the true power of the village is the lynch, where each person casts their vote to decide who must die at the end of each day. Because the village is noble and pure, their power takes place in the light of day, votes cast openly and debated vigorously. The mafia, in contrast, is sneaky and shady, operating in greatest secrecy. Though their numbers are fewer, their power is in their knowledge, and in their ability to operate at night. At night do they kill, and each day begins with a tally of the dead.

In the world that is the internet, there is a country named 2+2. In that country, there is a land called POG. And in POG, there is a village. One day, strangers came to POG to fill this tiny village. From all over the wide world they came, invited for a single reason. To play the game. And to win.

But not all those who came were innocent villagers. Already into the midst of this tiny hamlet the evil doers had crept, intent on causing mayhem and sowing dissension among the pure of heart. Who will win this epic battle between Good and Evil? It is for the All-Stars of Mafia to decide....


It is still night.

This post was also a good indication that it was generic Good vs. Evil..... There was also no mention of Star Trek which was another good indication.
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09-20-2013 , 04:45 PM
I think they are wondering why you thought it was Star Trek after seeing only your role PM. Kinda weird assumption to make, but I got a role that made me think it was military history themed, so eh.
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09-20-2013 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
As far as I can tell the scum was calling Taylor town.

These are the players that called Taylor scum:

soah >town
Mastin >town
Nana >you know your alignment.
fank >town
DGB >town

I've been calling Taylor town all game and we can't both be scum, unless you think there are still two scum left.

I still think he is, and I think your push here is a very town push so I'm feeling better about traz, as traz's objections to being lynched today just don't feel right.
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09-20-2013 , 04:49 PM
God damn it, it really might be Athexx.

"traz's objections to being lynched just don't feel right"?

Right, I forgot town is TRYING to get lynched.
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09-20-2013 , 04:51 PM
Traz v mastin feels kinda town/town on a skim.
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09-20-2013 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon
I think they are wondering why you thought it was Star Trek after seeing only your role PM. Kinda weird assumption to make, but I got a role that made me think it was military history themed, so eh.
Pretty much every game on my forum is themed.

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/mafia-archive/

Those are the archives. Backs up the statement I just made.
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09-20-2013 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by traz

I don't think I can even explain mastin myself really. He's just...a wolf.
This in particular does not feel like something someone who KNEW mastin would ultimately flip town would say.
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09-20-2013 , 05:06 PM
I don't know why Athexx would call Chrja out yesterday for the no lynch thing if they were together.
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09-20-2013 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon
God damn it, it really might be Athexx.

"traz's objections to being lynched just don't feel right"?

Right, I forgot town is TRYING to get lynched.
He ought to be arguing against his lynch, yes.

The way he is arguing against his lynch doesn't feel right to me. I think he'd be doing it differently if he was town.
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09-20-2013 , 05:12 PM
Differently how?
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09-20-2013 , 05:19 PM
Well mastin was pretty much the definition of how I think a villager who is being mislynched SHOULD play it. I recognize not everyone plays that way.

But traz feels much more annoyed and unhelpful today. It gives me the vibe that he's disappointed at being caught out at least before the final three. He's stating lots of generalities in his defense without backing them up, and the statements feel either hollow or slanted to me. I also get the idea that he's expecting me to do the work of proving his innocence, because he knows that he couldn't do it himself.
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09-20-2013 , 05:27 PM
Why would he expect you to do anything?

You were calling him townish yesterday? I mean, you've been less-than-active so I have a hard time swallowing that he expected you to swoop in and defend him.

Mastin was spamposting, repeatedly listing the same reads list with minor updates, and talking about his personal life. I sure as **** hope town-Traz wouldn't be doing that.

--

Aight, I'll actually be back later when I have time to compose some things.
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09-20-2013 , 05:47 PM
Posts like these are what I'm referring to where it feels like traz is expecting us to do the work of defending him for him:

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There are a bunch of posts from chrja and foolish which kinda clear me if you go back and think about the interactions
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Nana,

No desire to reread and find a real wolf instead of camping on me?
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Reread nana and dgb, makes perfect sense
In other words, WE should be the ones to come up with the evidence that clears him. He's hand waving that the evidence is out there. Is it?

If he's village, I think he should be quoting the posts and explaining exactly why he thinks the things he wants us to reread are indicative of what he thinks.
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09-20-2013 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Athexx
Well mastin was pretty much the definition of how I think a villager who is being mislynched SHOULD play it. I recognize not everyone plays that way.

But traz feels much more annoyed and unhelpful today. It gives me the vibe that he's disappointed at being caught out at least before the final three. He's stating lots of generalities in his defense without backing them up, and the statements feel either hollow or slanted to me. I also get the idea that he's expecting me to do the work of proving his innocence, because he knows that he couldn't do it himself.
These are good points.
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09-20-2013 , 06:07 PM
Oh, I see.

Ya I asked him about that first one.

Im not going to go on wild goose chases to find things like that.
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09-20-2013 , 06:08 PM
DGB, could you summariz4e your opinion on Athexx for me?
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09-20-2013 , 06:22 PM
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DGB, could you summariz4e your opinion on Athexx for me?
Well by PoE I'm thinking the last scum is either AtheXX, traz or Taylor.

@ AP does the scum need you dead to win? I doubt they'd want to end up with a Bulletproof in a 3P Lylo.
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09-20-2013 , 06:24 PM
If they want to try and mislynch me, they can be my guest.

They don't know the half of my Angry until then.
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09-20-2013 , 06:34 PM
Notice anything? The overwhelming majority of the players Athexx speaks of in the first leg of the game are scum.
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Okay I just read the cases made against Foolishness first and it seems quite interesting given that according to his bio, Foolishness has never been mislynched in his home forum and self describes as a thorough and analytical player. The behavior indicated in the cases made against him in this game seem baffling in contrast with that.
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It looks like TheMango placed the first vote on me, but prior to that he had the longest held vote on Foolishness, even though when he initially placed his vote, his was the third vote? So vote order is right to left? Is that correct?
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[...]I'm buying Foolishness as scum and I think if he is, Mango is my next suspect.
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Also, I just realized that Mango and Foolishness are both from TeamLiquid which could explain the interaction I was suspicious of without them being scum together.
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I'm still solid on Foolishness here. His posts here now don't sound great to me either; why are you so convinced he's good?
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If Foolishness is a decent player, which it seems he is, why wouldn't he step up his game when he's up for lynch?

Frankly I'm disappointed that anyone in this game would let themselves get lynched quietly as it looks like happened yesterday. But marvellosity's reason for defending Foolishness today just doesn't seem like enough to me.
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Everyone who's been saying that has only noted that since he's been up for lynch. Do those town vibes extend to his behavior prior to being run up?
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Aww, prior to the night result I was a bit intrigued by this post, thinking perhaps maybe binkles had a flavor character from the same universe as Infidel, and wondering if that meant something.
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Also, the lynch and night result still seems to indicate that Foolishness could well be mafia.

Two known mafia were on Verbal, who I'm clearing for that. But Verbal wasn't a counterwagon to Infidel, Verbal was more of a counterwagon to Foolishness. So If two known mafia were on him, it was more likely to save Foolishness.

Foolishness
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I agree with this list although I think Chrja is probably town.
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I'm glad to see you reevaluate Foolish. I feel like your posts were pretty on target with a lot of things with that exception yesterday.
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09-20-2013 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon
If they want to try and mislynch me, they can be my guest.
Exactly. Since it seems to be a long shot, I'd expect the scum to at least try to lynch you.
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09-20-2013 , 06:38 PM
What is it with the 3 misspellings of "Taylor"? Is that a code? Further, the triple use of the name seems superfluous. What is that???

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Yeah so I'm going to assume Tayler is a good enough player that he realizes that and is deliberately messing around. After all Tailor was chosen to represent his forum despite supposedly being a newer player. We've all left behind most of our metagames in this. I'm liking Taelur so far.

soah
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09-20-2013 , 06:42 PM
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Posts like these are what I'm referring to where it feels like traz is expecting us to do the work of defending him for him:

In other words, WE should be the ones to come up with the evidence that clears him. He's hand waving that the evidence is out there. Is it?

If he's village, I think he should be quoting the posts and explaining exactly why he thinks the things he wants us to reread are indicative of what he thinks.

A) I've tried to give examples about how I'm a villager. I'm on my phone at work so I can't go back and quote posts easily
B) I know I'm a villager. Therefore, ALL my previous posts are villagery, by definition. What's the point in quoting them? They are there for everyone to read. You will just say they are wolfy or inconclusive, even if they're not
C) You have no idea how I'd react as a villager, this is it

Mostly, I'm frustrated because I have read the entire thread at least 5 times, if not more. I have reread every single time a wolf has died. I don't believe other villagers are doing the same thing.

I think a vote on me is lazy. I'm not a wolf and have put genuine effort into finding wolves.
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09-20-2013 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
Notice anything? The overwhelming majority of the players Athexx speaks of in the first leg of the game are scum.
This is also the case with nana. Between the two, I think athexx has played more like a villager. He plays alot like me which is partially why I think it sucks that he thinks I'm a wolf. I get athexx and I thought he got me.

That's probably what mastin thought when I went after him.
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09-20-2013 , 06:47 PM
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Thanks for the correction.

So two scums called Taylor "town."

4-5/6 townies called Taylor "scum."
Honestly I feel like this is more indicative of Taylor being a villager.

I think wolves were being honest. I don't feel like there was some kind of conspiracy or motive for wolves to call Taylor a villager if they were buddies.

Taylor was wolfy-ish and had alot of heat on him. If he was a wolf, I would expect some wolves to put some heat on him. Especially since this wolf team bussed so much.
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09-20-2013 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by traz
Honestly I feel like this is more indicative of Taylor being a villager.

I think wolves were being honest. I don't feel like there was some kind of conspiracy or motive for wolves to call Taylor a villager if they were buddies.

Taylor was wolfy-ish and had alot of heat on him. If he was a wolf, I would expect some wolves to put some heat on him. Especially since this wolf team bussed so much.
But then I'd expect the scum to chastise players that found Taylor scummy... by trying to lynch them. If you declare one player town, it's to walk two to the gallows.
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