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09-17-2013 , 04:39 AM
After re-reading Blood and Taylor I think they are both mostly dead weight town. I think Traz was terrible for the d3 off claim push, and Chrja was terrible for later defending it and even being unable to see why a scum would want to push it off another day? Gee, to lynch a town and give the gambit a longer life maybe?

Traz

Willing to switch to Chrja as long as one of them is lynched today.
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09-17-2013 , 05:29 AM
Where i come from, mafia fakeclaims tend to be planned out and look quite decent, whereas townclaims tend to be haphazard and bad.

I don't see why it should be any different here?

Sure Fitz looks awful, but whatever. Actually too many townies have done a terrible job of looking townie.

I still like the (STILL TOTALLY ABSENT GUISE) chrja lynch, who has only ever attracted one vote (mine)
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09-17-2013 , 05:33 AM
I really quite like fank's "taylor is what he says he is" case, if that's what you can call a case xD
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09-17-2013 , 05:35 AM
I think the votes on Taylor are... not good.
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09-17-2013 , 06:00 AM
Votes from post 3682 to post 3829
Night in 14:00:58

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VotesLynchVoters
2 traz Nana7 (11), fank009 (27)
2 TaylorFitz AngryPidgeon (22), DrippingGoofball (33)
1 chrja marvellosity (23)
1 unvote TaylorFitz (17)
5 not voting traz (3), Magic no wait UDFK (2), chrja (0), Blood Fox (0), Athexx (0)
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09-17-2013 , 07:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marvellosity
I think the votes on Taylor are... not good.
I think its just a coincidence :/
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09-17-2013 , 07:15 AM
Say what?
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09-17-2013 , 07:44 AM
well consider who has the votes on Fitz... then remember how they've played, what they've claimed... Hence... why IMO, its all a coincedince
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09-17-2013 , 07:48 AM
Putting it out there... how the votes are tallied up and what not, the program sucks :/ (compared to other's I have used) ((you know the one weareking :P))
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09-17-2013 , 07:54 AM
as usual I'm clueless as to what you're talking about.

Suffice to say, I don't think we should be killing Taylor today.
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09-17-2013 , 07:58 AM
atm im rereading Traz (~200 posts to go...) Ill post my argument in the tl;dr version of my read.
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09-17-2013 , 08:00 AM
Votes from post 3682 to post 3836
Night in 12:00:58

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VotesLynchVoters
2 traz Nana7 (11), fank009 (31)
2 TaylorFitz AngryPidgeon (22), DrippingGoofball (33)
1 chrja marvellosity (25)
1 unvote TaylorFitz (17)
5 not voting traz (3), Magic no wait UDFK (2), chrja (0), Blood Fox (0), Athexx (0)
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09-17-2013 , 08:29 AM
this is going to take a while :/
175 posts to go... :/ come on fank quick read...
need to get this in before bed...
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09-17-2013 , 08:38 AM
Checking in but I won't be able to do much posting until later this afternoon when I get back from work. I will make sure to catch up and post more before lynch; I was pretty busy yesterday.

Quick notes: I'm really annoyed that mastin ended up lynched, and I further don't see why everyone needs to automatically adopt his read to clear Blood Fox. Do mastin and Blood Fox have a strong history together that I'm unaware of?

Blood Fox

Also, I had had good reads on all three candidates up for lynch right now.
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09-17-2013 , 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Athexx

Quick notes: I'm really annoyed that mastin ended up lynched, and I further don't see why everyone needs to automatically adopt his read to clear Blood Fox. Do mastin and Blood Fox have a strong history together that I'm unaware of?

Blood Fox
I have my own reads on blood fox...
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09-17-2013 , 08:45 AM
it's more that mastin has made me relook at my certainty on Blood Fox.

For example, Foolishness came out with a redcheck on Mango day 3, and we lynched Mango.

Then on day 4, before Murska CC'd, Foolishness happily jumped on the Blood Fox wagon without much debate. Really seems like he was happy with how that wagon was going.
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09-17-2013 , 08:46 AM
150 to go... *shudders*
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09-17-2013 , 08:57 AM
125 *shudders*
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09-17-2013 , 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
a) I'm not a wolf
b) I'm sad mastin was not a wolf but it's not that big a deal to me
c) mastin's reads mean squat as he was wrong on me so the rest becomes invalidated
d) I really have no idea who the wolves are anymore and you are all under suspect
e) I'm gonna reread before I post another list
-Neither Am I, does that mean you trust me?
-Are you really???
-and you have all the power on the validity on mastin's reads??? All hail Traz the mafia god.
-Looks like a wolf backed into a corner
-where is that list???


Meanwhile... Mastin posted some things, Im going to post more...

About time I did one of these... (*shudders*)
Reread on traz:
Analysis from #540 cause traz posts too much :P

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Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
yawn if giga and mnowax were such copout easy votes, more people would be voting them

the fact that so many ppl mention them but so few actually vote shows they are not easy votes
here because I feel it gives a read onto traz's character
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
I dunno what your first post is saying cause it'll be hard for me to bus someone given that I'm a villager.

Also, I'm totally fine if you don't like my attitude. I post confidently and I will tell you who the wolves are. If you think I'm wrong, that's cool. But that doesn't make me a wolf.

You have to separate the two.
Why do I feel like you and me have a similar thought process???
The very 1st "Im a villager" quote.

-early reads on not feeling mango

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
I drop reads without backing them up all the time haha.
More insights as to how traz plays...
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
The idea that someone is too good to make bad posts is incredibly flawed. If that were true, you wouldn't be saying his posts are bad, because he'd be too good to post them anyways. Faulty premise.
More things I agree with...

- Keeps talking about anstonio being a cop out lynch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
They could definitely both be villagers. I'd probably even call that the most likely scenario
Back on day 1... I really dont know if this means much know (especially given his "Finish him" attitude on mastin)

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Zzzzzzz still not a baddie
Quote:
Originally Posted by marvellosity
So if you're 99.9% certain the leading wagon is town, you don't bother explaining why and you let the wagon keep on going and tell people not to listen to you, because it's ok for your super strong townread to get lynched?
Quote train leads me to this... Again, More thoughts on how Traz is playing

-More D1 banter with me... Dont really need to go over that again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
My job is to find wolves... not poor posters, stupid people, mean folks, or anything else
More posts on Traz's style... *look at this later...*

-more D1 banter/"I'm not a wolf"
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz

Villagers perform anti-village behaviour all the time. That doesn't mean they are a wolf.

Equating anti-village to wolfy is one of the highest logical flaws in the game imo
More traz pearls of wisdom... I swear he searched up fank's golden rules before this game :P
-after the giga vote
Quote:
Originally Posted by fank009
Hi Traz, Nice to see you wagon
-D2 lean list...
most noticeable... no real incorrections in his list, only mango and mastin out of place in this list... (pokes hi...)

-nothing out of the ordinary in his analysis post... (maybe might reread to gain more ideas)
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
I dunno, just wasn't. I don't think he was particularly wolfy, even after having reread. It was more a case of "there are better options right now". Also, I was wrong alot yesterday haha.
OMG... Someone in Mafia who is honest... QUICK check him into a mental institution xD

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Fank I'm not sure on. I have nothing to clear him really and he was tunnelling me so it made sense. If things change then who knows.
Traz gets town points here... "Someone's tunneling me... must be maf" (oh wait, those are noob town points xD)

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
It can be hard for wolves to interact with each other sometimes. Often they come across as forced. In other occasions, they almost completely ignore each other. Few leans, few opinions, few conversations back and forth. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
Keep a tab on this...
-a slight push on chrja being a wolf (D2)

-early heat on infidel (dont think if there was a strong reason, from my reads I cant find a reason from traz... must be missing something)
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
i'm cool with foolish/infidel wagons
Here we go... Prolly the most town thing from traz all game... Him being keen on foolish on day 2... need to read more though...

-more push on devourer/infidel
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
I commented on Verbal before you even did. What you see as wolfy, I don't.
more pearls of wisdom
-pushing votes away from foolish on to infidel...
-a subtle push on mastin...

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Mango, what do you think of infidel or devourer instead of foolishness
ok... thoughts on mango's response being wolf/wolf conversation???
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
There is plenty of time to vote whoever you want
some leaning up to mango from traz...
-more dislike for a verbal wagon...

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
If verbal dies and flips villa I think foolishness becomes more likely. The verbal voters look shifty as hell to me and he's kind of being railroaded.
I dont know traz... This is where (I feel) you start to jump into the boring category... and I was enjoying reading you these past 60 posts or so :/

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
lol of couse it's convenient
... AGAIN... WHY DO WE PLAY SO SIMILARLY Traz???
-a move to get votes of foolish and on infidel
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Honestly marvellosity, I find your posts today to be very disingenuous.

You said infidel was fine but you were pushing others ahead of him. Maybe in your head you think you were crusading against but in reality you were pushing the village to lynch verbal while the other sensible villagers actually voted the wolf infidel. In short, keep quiet and quit acting like you owned it up yesterday.

The verbal wagon felt like wolves trying to save foolish and I said as much yesterday. In addition, him and infidel both cast some suspicion on each other but never follow through. They both end up on verbal instead.

Verbal is probably a villager and foolish is probably a wolf. Mastin is also still a likely wolf imo.
hmmm... save for the future...

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Fwiw marvel, you have played well and i think you are on the right tracks here. I'm glad you see foolish looks bad.

But the honest truth is you defended foolish, pushed verbal, and chose to vote him instead the wolf infidel. Those are facts no matter what your thought process was.

You didn't own yesterday. You are still a likely villager and you probably do have this game close to figured out. But harping on your performance yesterday will hurt your street cred.
Traz... With all the aggresiveness (and expectations I gained from reading you...) ... keeps reading
... nothing interesting day 3... so... WHY DID YOU NOT PUT MORE PRESSURE ON HIM???
you really touched on nothing else all day, marvell had your "attention" you were putting forth some good back/forth statements... I am suprised nothing amounted to it :/

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Ignoring voting patterns would probably be more amateur
More pearls of wisdom

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Since the roles are unknown and a full seer died on d1, I think it's really hard to try and guess what the wolves are looking for in nightkills
I'll give you an answer... POWER ROLES

-a point here... about wondering who would be placed under the bus... Maybe we should read the flipped scum some more... see if anyone stands out as being "protected"

-strongly pushes against mango...
-analysis on Foolish's claim
-playing it safe with foolish/mango
-more trying to save foolish/mango...
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
I already accounted for the possibility that foolish is lying. I never said otherwise.
That ace in the hole... can I marry your brain??? :P
-using the "unsure" as an excuse to save foolish/mango another day...
-more unsurities

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
If foolish is a mafia vig, he actually gets 2 more kills probably. Tonight and tomorrow after we lynch mango.

Foolish was going to die today probably. If he is a power role then a fake makes perfect sense.
more town points...
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Yawn. Still ignoring everything that I'm saying.

All of those things you said will just happen tomorrow. They don't have to happen today.

This isn't paranoia. It's called logic.
ah... I know that feeling traz...
-pressure on Goofballs lean on AP
-"we get x with a probability of y"
more pearls of wisdom from traz...

-a lot of "Contributive pointless banter"
(note the "fence sitting" fank...)
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Both foolish and mango abandoning the game is just brutal imo
... hmmm...
D4
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Going to do a full reread in light of the results.

Mnowax and Antonio are interesting kills. I certainly wouldn't have done it.
Denial...
ok Traz... at this stage of the game, who would maf have killed (take a guess... it is speculation after all)???

Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Murska's play makes perfect sense. I was hoping someone would counter foolish today
Because Cop CC's when someone claims is a go.

-starts speculating foolish has a power role as maf... and bussed mango for another night (or peek in this case)
Stupid Q... where was this theory the other day??? you put up mango was possibly maf vig... but not foolish... though the chance remained he was scum (foolish that is...)
-more tunnel on mastin
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Didn't 2 people die? Honest question, not tongue in cheek. What happened yesterday if mafia vig didn't shoot?
wait what... Maf shot the partner???
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
Ok right right, lovers. Its hard for me to read the big posts on my phone.

I get it now. Blood fox was role blocked right? So he is looking like the vig i guess?
Im sorry... Of all the expert deductions... WHY ARE YOU DUMBTELLING???? you are insulting this game and me, your alter ego xD
- all these one liners...
and i thought goofball was the king/queen of oneliners? xD


... Ok... so... this is shorter than what I expected... I put in some quirky statements showing scummy things... so hopefully you dont miss them :P
1:30 in the morning, the other 75 posts + to look at and go over (plus tl;dr).
for reference I am up to
Quote:
Originally Posted by traz
This is confirmation bias, where you only believe the ideas that strengthen your current beliefs.

I could be suffering from the same thing because I have been listing foolish as a wolf for a long time. But I'm pretty sure I'm right about this.
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09-17-2013 , 09:28 AM
TL;DR version. so far...
Day 1; traz is strong, and not taking any slack.
day 2; traz is strong, and not taking any slack
day 3; Traz: "lets not lynch between cop and possible scum"
day 4; Traz: "Murska is cop, go go go on foolish"

There's some points that are really town, some points that are agressive scummeh, some points that are halfway rule scummy, and some posts that are in reality, are just showing traz as knowing more than he should..
there is also something else that is prickling my interest.


A fuller case when I finish my read and the follow on.
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09-17-2013 , 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fank009
TL;DR version. so far...
Day 1; traz is strong, and not taking any slack.
day 2; traz is strong, and not taking any slack
day 3; Traz: "lets not lynch between cop and possible scum"
day 4; Traz: "Murska is cop, go go go on foolish"

There's some points that are really town, some points that are agressive scummeh, some points that are halfway rule scummy, and some posts that are in reality, are just showing traz as knowing more than he should..
there is also something else that is prickling my interest.


A fuller case when I finish my read and the follow on.
Pretty sure traz was advocating lynching Blood Fox actually.

???

(your trademark)
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09-17-2013 , 09:49 AM
really, how did you misread him on day 4 like that? O.o look where his vote ended up
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09-17-2013 , 10:00 AM
Votes from post 3682 to post 3847
Night in 10:00:58

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VotesLynchVoters
2 traz Nana7 (11), fank009 (37)
2 TaylorFitz AngryPidgeon (22), DrippingGoofball (33)
1 chrja marvellosity (28)
1 Blood Fox Athexx (1)
1 unvote TaylorFitz (17)
4 not voting traz (3), Magic no wait UDFK (2), chrja (0), Blood Fox (0)
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09-17-2013 , 10:13 AM
I'm not seeing traz-scum.
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09-17-2013 , 10:19 AM
I can see it, but I'm not convinced by it.

DGB, move your vote off Taylor, it's really bad.
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