I knew Soah had to die on night 1. I wasn't taking no for an answer. After a few pages of reading I just knew it was the right play regardless of how right his reads were. And sure enough, his reads were mostly correct anyhow.

Ya, maybe so. I asked the mods about an interaction of roles. They answered honestly. This actually did happen. Protip: If you're gonna lie, your story has to have some small details that someone who is lying would not have in it.

Final mod note

The post-game is open! Please feel free to discuss all aspects of the game.

This game took a lot of time to organize, but I definitely felt it was worthwhile. It was truly a unique game and an interesting experiment in culture clashes. I hope maybe some of you even feel like you learned something from participating in this game.

Mostly though, I hope that you enjoyed the game and I hope that some of you would consider participating in a similar game again, because some of you will in fact be invited back for an Ultimate Champions Game, featuring the best of the best from each of the 5 Games of Mafia Champions that will be run. Yes, you heard right, this was only the first game in a series.

So that brings me to this...

Please send me a PM with your votes for the following categories:

• The Mafia MVP
• The Town MVP
• The Best Player (send in a ranked top 3 for this one)
• The player most feared by the mafia team (this is only for the mafia team who I want to send me a collective ranked list of the two villagers they feared and respected the most, 1 and 2)

To be clear, the Best Player award is different from the MVP award in that the player(s) that you're voting don't have to have actually had a great positive impact on the game, rather they just need to have shown you qualities in this game that convinced you that they are the best player(s).

The results of this vote will have a great impact on who gets an invite to play in the Ultimate Champions Game.

if i think mango and foolishness tie for mafia mvp, can i vote for both of them?

Well you got there in the end either way.

Which is not a dig at nana, I hate end game WW and know how tough it is.

But yeah, the mods saying anything about a role that wasn't even in the game (especially of this type) would be....well, I can't think of a reason why we'd ever even reference a role type that wasn't in the game other than that list we gave you.

Also, normally saying stuff like "well the mod told me" is censored a lot more closely on this site but given this specific game type the rules of what was and wasn't allowed to be said in terms of mod communication were relaxed.

Something like that.

Just some quick thoughts....
-I was scanned n2??? Must have put a nice impression, also 1/4 scans....
-goofball was right d1... ???
-how come no one really quiestioned the bp claim, especially closer to lylo, especially since people were asking q's about mafs power???
-fitz you selfish son of a gun....
More thoughts later when I have the ability to.

The next time we do this , can I be town?

I just wanna post about how town I am next time.

Suggest that the players who put in the time / effort in this game to contribute to their team's success should mix in more WW games in POG when they have the time. Always good to collect competitive players.

The vote is only for the players :P

All I can say is, I'm glad AP was the last one left alive on our team cause I'm not sure I could have sustained the effort/activity he did till the end

As to the whole Foolishness bus on me, in hindsight it was a bad idea, but we took the risk thinking there wasn't another cop and that we would get more mileage out of Foolishness. At that point it was looking pretty bleak for mafia, so we decided to risk it. Fortunately AP was able to salvage the game from that point and carry us to victory

btw i'm pretty surprised that mastin got lynched

d1 DVC had him as most obv villager itt. i could see him getting got if he went afk thereafter but after posting up that storm i'm surprised that people didn't reconsider.

This right here was actually terrible and I'm not sure why you decided to go through with it especially considering mafia was decimated at the time and this guaranteed a mafia lynch. Foolish never dying would have mean he'd eventually be out of people to claim reports on regardless.

A BIG THANKS TO:

All the different communities that helped me pick their representatives.

And thanks to my modding team who helped me out with this game:
- SGT RJ who took care of the flavor, helped with the balance and was in charge of all EOD's
- Chips Ahoy who made sure that you guys had a vote counter
- TimeLady who is the main person responsible for the balance/setup of the game

It was kinda funny in the maf chat.

When it was just chrja and I left. I was specualting about all these things we could do with the vig shot and bussing and just having a time.

Chrja was SO over the bull****. He was like we need mislynches so shut up and ML people. I was like ok : O

Also, Nana7, you REALLY shouldn't be feeling bad about not voting AP here. Only a couple of people had AP as scum, whereas everyone else (dead players as well as spectators) was strongly leaning AP town. I believe the only dead player to actually solve the game upon death is weareking, though please do correct me if I'm wrong here obviously.

Also I think my team helped me a lot. I really did get a lot of towncred for interactions with my team at various points and that was big.

Also MASTIN FOR ****S SAKE.

Mastin I have like a 5 paragraph essay to write up about your play D1. I was actually CRACKING UP because you were ajusting your play based on me being scum and I was taking advantage of it. I was half bussing Fool/Cyan just to watch you townread them harder. It was really amusing to me and my emotions were pretty genuine about you not taking me seriously so it was really easy for me to play that off as a town thing.

The plan was to force it into at least a lylo situation. Assuming no counter claim on foolishness + us saving our last vigi shot + assuming MNOWAX/Astonio were a lover pair, we only needed I think 2 mislynches at that point to bring it to lylo (Assuming AP and chrja survived). It was somewhat of a longshot, but with the rest of our mafia team being super inactive and dropping like flies to town vigi/lynches, we decided to make a play.

AP was bussing our whole team pretty much from the start, that probably saved him the most, even though he went inactive for like 2 whole days in the middle of the game

im normally anti-bussing, but when you have more posts all 6 of your teammates combined passes can be given

Mastin's lynch was awful, so was the Blood/Magic double lynch which cost town a free mislynch. The thing that bugged me about Mastin is he basically martyred himself over his reads on Blood town and Traz scum, only one of which was right, and then SOMEHOW Traz got lynched despite being pro town all game. Town had an 11-2 advantage with 4 mislynches and a basically confirmed cop that HAD to soak the mafia's kill choice, and yet mafia still managed to win.

AP's BP claim was decent but it gives him the perfect excuse as active scum to survive to the endgame without people questioning the "Why is he alive?" part. I was shocked no one picked up on that.

Athexx was obvious town but for the wrong reasons. When someone goes as far as asking about role mechanics and about hypothetical poisoner situations, he basically angleshoots himself as town. It'd be like claiming in the thread, then asking the mods in the thread about how his role exactly works.

Someone else in the game even decided to ask about if mafia's kill can be stopped by the town roleblocker. I can't remember who, but types of questions like this should be PM'd to the moderators, and the moderator can either PM that person directly, or post the reply in the game thread, but the person asking the question is now anonymous.

I must have been AFK when that came up because I remember wtfing really hard when I realized Fool had claimed cop.

If I were murska, Id have CCd right away. But we lost mango as well this way so eh.

People from BoardGameGeek can testify that I have done exactly this as evil plenty of times and know fully well to completely ignore my rules questions as far as getting a read on me is concerned.

In fact it looks like a large number of people from Boardgamegeek who were following this game in fact thought I was evil, mostly because I wasn't catching enough evils for me to be good.

Some pre-game write-ups attempt to remedy this with rules to exclude players asking mechanic questions rhetorically in the thread by stating all questions on that topic to be done only through PM to the moderator.

This has been a viable solution on POG werewolf games. Perhaps this should have been included here.

I have used this tactic myself and I agree it is mostly done by villagers.

We did include this here fwiw and also reminded players to not do it, but they kept doing it :P

Great game all, and thanks to the mods and players and congrats AP for pulling it off. You were pretty convincing.

If a villager can do it, mafia can fake it, and therefore it just becomes part of the game in my opinion.

I often deliberately ask questions I know the answer to, in order to give the impression I don't.