Lol Im an idiot. I mean, why wouldnt scum shoot DGB and Murska over anyone else is what Im getting at.

Ugh, what are the odds of DGB being the mafia vig.

A town roleblocker that can't block the mafia factional kill?

Steps on tons of town power and what... can block a mafia role cop and vig if lucky? Thats probably more negative utility than positive.

Could also block the Maf RB too I suppose, depending how night actions resolve here?

Ugh, ok. I'm just going to wipe this train of thought from my memory for at least a Day phase and hope that gets sorted out.

Ok, if it is confirmed that blocked shots are non-refundable, Occams razor strongly suggests Blood Fox.

Otherwise, so much WIFOM.

I still can see sitting on a shot two nights ago to make it look like fool got saved. No one else sees this as probable?

Then that implicates chrja more than anyone?

-Really??? with you being BP, you think that a full vig is OP??? maf has 5 dead, 3 vanilla's, a rolecop and a roleblocker... with an x shot vig, you think last maf is nilla?
- I like the wording here :P, I dont find it boring, more resourceful... why not kill someone who is a "threat to maf"???? with the likes of me/you/Mastin/traz/marvell, Why arent we being killed off???
-Im thinking that all maf were on foolish, If they went for town bloodfox, they would have been caught out... and even IF they had the chance... with the magic number of 7, it would take all 2 people to flip the votes over if blood was town,and only had access to one if he was vanilla maf. would they really do that?
-again, maf look really underpowered (imo) if they didnt have a full vig.
-Why kill the odd night cop, when he doesnt receive a scan tonight???
Also, I believe there are 2 scum left.

fank all your assumptions are stupid, Verbal was very likely killed protecting a high-priority target.

My thoughts.
I believe a blood fox lynch will tell us everything.
Remember, Everyone was as good as on foolish. and with how bad foolish looked, it doesnt make sense to go after a townie then, and not gain town cred.

ALONG with the night actions, I feel like the vote is really telling.

Blood Fox

What if it really is mastin/chrja, ez as that lol.

Mastin sets up all the bull**** about 2 shots going out implicating BF (when it doesnt give us anything more than we already know, so its a terrible point to be making), Chrja gets blocked and sinks that ship?

Mafia sitting on a shot to make fool look legit makes mastin more likely to be a scum-clear by fool if that is the case.

... Who said I denied that fact???

you said "why aren't we being killed off???" like you were expecting something different. Which was odd given you told me at the start of the day that was what probably happened when i was confused.

i'm just going to have to accept i'm never gonna understand wtf you're talking about i think.

I'm rereading verbal and...
He doesnt give us anything :/

chrja might be my 3rd lynch choice after fox/mastin i guess?

6 mafia seems a little light, 7 mafia seems a little heavy but more likely. I'd bet its just a vig and vanilla. Or possibly vig/bulletproof mafia if my theory about parity holds any water.

My main beef with a full maf vig role is that the game is swingy as hell around that one slot getting lynched. Infinite double kills for mafia is like scary overpowered. But Ive also never seen multiple confirmed sane cops in one game, so my intuition on setup spec is not going to be as reliable as it could be.

You say you think all the maf were on Fool because being on Town fox would look bad - Why is fox town then? And if Fox is maf, do you think the other was voting him or Fool?

7 Maf feels about right and a little on the heavy side so them being lightish on power feels about right for that scenario.

Why NOT kill the odd cop? The only other person I'd see killing is DGB and obv there was the possibility of an angel/bg in the game that made killing Murska ASAP to be more imperative.

Ya 2 scum seems most likely. 6/26 seems low considering 2 cops and other moderate power.

My mind feels like such a mess right now...
-Bloodfox = best lynch imo...
-WWMD... imo, best play for maf would be shoot goofball/ one of AP/mastin/Marvel... (goofball>the 3) If we are all champions, why kill murska immediatley when town gain nothing from him? (if they only have one shot on their hands... might be interesting to see...
-Why does town have a roleblocker??? At this rate they dont need it. If all maf has is a xshot vig, roleblocker, and a rolecop, and all we have is two types of cops/lovers and a bodyguard a vig (and a BP...) Why do we need a roleblocker if faction kills cant be blocked??? I think goofball is town... So the contradiction is in what maf has...

For the record... the WWMD scenario on N3 was shoot anstonio/MNO

What? I like the vote, but don't follow the reasoning.

Why kill marvel over Murska? Both are probable town, but one is a PR and _could_ potentially be saved on either last night or next if a town angel wants to get WIFOMy with the save choice.

WWMD stands for?.. What would mastin do? :P I told mastin that I asked myself that in a recent scum game actually.

On a related note, this thread needs more mastin.

-just a stupid Q, why does Maf have what town has??? (- bg/lovers) It just seems a bit... strange. (I can see someone being imprevious to night kills though)

-If fox was maf, give me a situation in which he's not vig.... (and still has shots) Fox would only be town in the sense that he was the compromise to the foolish lynch.

-7 maf = 19:7 which is slightly over 2.5:1 which is somewhat optimal for these types of games...

-I should explain my thinking on what foolish may or may not be thinking.
One time when I was maf rolecop, I towned everyone who I scanned to "seem legit". Again, IF town have a tracker, (at this point I doubt it though, but the thought still exists)(wait reword that) if Maf thought that town had a tracker, wouldnt it be dangerous to randomly out people as town... (granted foolish bussed mango... but still) and be susceptible to being caught out? (even though that somewhat happened with murska...)

Ya, I was wondering that. Not being able to block factional kills limits Town RB power a lot. Maf Tracker/Watcher are both plausible I suppose. But at this point it seems pretty irrelevant unless DGB mysteriously survives the next few nights.

Like i said before, Why kill cop now when he isnt going to be useful next phase?
WWMD = What would maf do (or in the case of mastin is maf, that fits :P)

Basically I feel that a blood fox lynch will tell us a lot, especially depending on what he flips (hmm flipping maf vig would give us a LOT of info.)and maybe knowing what that vig is will give us more. (even if he doesnt flip fig (or maf) it's telling imo

If Fox is maf, hes like 99% likely to be Maf Vig.

I mean, its dangerous for Fool to accidentally clear townies by getting tracked but scum were clearly interested in keeping him alive what with that ******ed mango bus, and its really risky to claim results other than your actual targets if you suspect a tracker or watcher.

Wow that sentence was pretty run on.

Point being, if scum suspected a tracker in the game, having fool actually claim his real targets would be more likely because otherwise the tracker gets what.. one clear one someone that thye know fool lied about and then Fool gets lynched immediately.

Question: If a hypothetical maf vig is hypothetically blocked by a hypothetical roleblocker or the kill doesn't happen for some other reason, and this hypothetical vigilante has a limitation, such as, for instance, 3 shots. Would he still lose a shot?

Answer: The hypothetical vigilante would indeed lose a shot in such a scenario.