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But alas I have a town lean on him, so not gonna vote that way.

I have a hell of a lot of reading to catch up on so I'll vote later, after I have tried to inform myself.

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09-09-2013 , 07:03 PM

#1878

DrippingGoofball

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Originally Posted by marvellosity

I see. Do you think scum-mastin would be so categorical in his townread on a mafia teammate?

YES I CAN ATTEST TO THAT.

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09-09-2013 , 07:06 PM

#1879

DrippingGoofball

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Originally Posted by traz

Mastin's most recent posts don't sound like a villager who is trying to find wolves before he is wrongfully killed.

They sound like posts from a wolf who is screwed imo

yeah

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09-09-2013 , 07:07 PM

#1880

DrippingGoofball

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I don't subscribe to wagon vs. counterwagon theories, because with so many players alive still, we need to look at the unwagoned very carefully, not put blinders on and focus on yesterday's main wagons.

@ Mango: marvellosity is town.

traz may be scum for post 1782+1806. Sounds like framing a townie. Also lists AngryPidgeon at the bottom of town list instead of the bottom of the scum list. Very suspicious.

Verbal is still terrible.

AngryPidgeon is guaranteed scum.

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09-09-2013 , 07:16 PM

#1881

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If mods did not already say there are no 3rd factions, I would think Goof is a 3rd faction with some goofy wincon.

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09-09-2013 , 07:17 PM

#1882

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Originally Posted by Nana7

If mods did not already say there are no 3rd factions, I would think Goof is a 3rd faction with some goofy wincon.

My wincon is always to have fun.

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09-09-2013 , 07:40 PM

#1883

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Right. So, full reread is a go. "Over a hundred pages and you're planning to reread them all?!? You crazy, man?" Yes, I am. :P But it's fairly light reading, and we've got a fair number of flips to work from, so it's not nearly as bad as you'd think.

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Originally Posted by TaylorFitz

Talk about the most general of themes. I'm assuming this is just a Good vs. Evil theme. That's a shame when I saw my PM I thought this would be a Star Trek theme, which would have made it breakable.

Still think this is town. Okay, so it could be faked with scum having fakeclaims, yes, but I don't think so. And overall, Taylor's presence has been decently to solidly town. So, Taylor's off the scumlist. (Too lazy to check my math, but I believe this game had 26 to start with--two lynches, and six total nightkills, places us at having 18 alive. I know my alignment to be town, and Fitz being town brings the number I need to read down to 16.)

And yes, I am crazy enough to pull this off. Am skipping lunch to do it, but I'll get it done. One down, 16 players left to go, as far as reading comes.

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09-09-2013 , 07:47 PM

#1884

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Originally Posted by Athexx

So I've got role/rule questions. I'm sure that these are all well defined things that if I just wandered around on these forums I'd find answered but I'm lazy and this website is blocked from work, and I'm going to be out of town this week (Thursday and Friday) so I'm just reading this thread and I figure it won't take someone too long to answer these things.

Note: I may or may not have questions on my own role, and if so, they are included in the list below. Or I might have made up questions that were already answered in my role PM.

1. Martyr - the rules say "can kill someone after they've died" - does that mean immediately on death, or can they wait and kill someone after thinking about it for some time?

2. Masons - for the record, how do "chats" usually work on these forums, since I and others might not be familiar with it? On Boardgamegeek werewolf, for instance, we have private chatrooms set up on Cassandra Project, an external website that provides lots of extra functionality.

3. Oracle - I presume the dead can respond to the oracle? How much/how often?

4. Randomizer - Does this give the target a random *action* or a random *target* but only for an existing night action they may have? If the latter, are they informed of the changed target?

5. Redirector - Likewise, is the target of the redirector informed of the redirection?

6. Vigilante - Is the death power a one-shot, or can it be used multiple times? Does it have to be used?

Right, so, others have called this post as being null, but I still think it's town. I'm not quite eliminating Athexx, because I need to judge his recent content to make sure, but I'm heavily leaning town. (That'd place it at 15 to go.)

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09-09-2013 , 07:51 PM

#1885

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Originally Posted by Devourer

Vote Fank for behaving blatantly anti-town. I don't think I need to elaborate much on this.
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FoS Taylor. While I can discard such things as your softclaim and fakeclaim comment as nulls, it's plain that you're behaving oddly. You've made almost no effort to scumhunt at all, and have been concentrating solely on your own image. Specifically, I find it scummy that you dedicate so much attention to explaining your so-called town tells.

What exactly is inherently suspicious about having a "crutch"?
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(Athexx)

What reason would Taylar have to mess around? It's odd that you feel the need to defend him, considering that he hasn't defended himself in this way himself.

Specific reasons for voting soah?

So I don't think the fank vote is a bus. Could be, sure, yeah. Doesn't read that way to me at all. Taylor FoS is obviously not distancing (Taylor's solidly town), but Athexx is less certain. I'm going to check out Devourer for a sec.

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09-09-2013 , 08:00 PM

#1886

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Votes from post 1723 to post 1885
Night in 24:00:57
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	Foolishness	traz (16), Athexx (6)
2	AngryPidgeon	mastin2 (11), DrippingGoofball (5)
1	Blood Fox	Nana7 (22)
1	TaylorFitz	TheMango (15)
1	mastin2	Magic no wait UDFK (24)
1	Magic no wait UDFK	TaylorFitz (3)
9	not voting	Verbal32 (8), Murska (0), MNOWAX (0), Foolishness (0), fank009 (6), chrja (0), Blood Fox (0), Anstonio (1), AngryPidgeon (0)
1	Error	marvellosity (43)

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09-09-2013 , 08:01 PM

#1887

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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball

traz pushed both Devourer and Infidel yesterday. If he's scum, he was strongly bussing.

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09-09-2013 , 08:07 PM

#1888

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A "specialty" of our forum is that you are generally required to survive in order to win, but I assume that's different here?

Vara's post, where it's mentioned bastard-mafia games are common (mind-screwy) and that you need to live to win.

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Mafia on FGF tends to be casual, put nicely, or inactive and dead, put more bluntly . We rarely get a game thread as large as even this sign-ups thread, so that was pleasant to see. Games tend to be driven by a few active players that attempt to get the silent majority to speak up, and I find that, even as scum, I've played against my actual goals to encourage activity.

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In my opinion, even early on in day, a serious vote against someone suspicious should always be cast in order to generate pressure and make scum's vote less powerful. Only in the case of L-1, L-2, hammer, or suspicious reasoning should a vote be regarded as possibly odd. I also use votes as tools, to incite pressure or convey an opinion, true or false, even if the target isn't the one I regard as the most suspicious.

Here's the important one. Devourer uses votes for pressure.

I'm not sure this is enough to actually read Devourer's post, though, despite my efforts, to see fank/Athexx's alignments. :/

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09-09-2013 , 08:09 PM

#1889

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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon

Tentative townreads:
Soah - Taylor pressure feels townish, not afraid to be center of attention.
mastin - Gut. I just kinda get mastin and he doesnt feel like scum mastin this game.
weareking - I think his not being afraid to call Athexx's or whoever's post that is town was pretty proactively town thing to do when its easy to attack someone like that for fluffing.

By the way, guys, you should totally not lynch me. If the pattern present in this post is correct, I'll be dead N3 anyway! :P

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09-09-2013 , 08:11 PM

#1890

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Originally Posted by Devourer

(Nana)

Why exactly would attempting to look a certain way always be bad?

I'm not the type to proclaim that someone is town with certainty, but Athexx's question about masons makes him almost certainly town. While I agree that posts like his would generally be null, if he had been scum, he would likely know what chats were used, and as a result, be less likely to ask said question.
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<b>UnFoS Taylor</b>. I find this believable enough for now. I'm not new to the concept of acting strangely to bait; I've seen it done by others in the past and have even done it myself.

The reason why I didn't note it was because I didn't want to jump to conclusions and provide an answer before I got one.

Which then leads to the question, how much of what you did was real and how much was acting?

Right, so this makes it significantly more likely that Athexx is town. Pretty much eliminating him. (Nana, not so much.) Two down, 15 to go.

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09-09-2013 , 08:18 PM

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Murksa is being eliminated because quite bluntly, that's probably the only townread I'm not going to ever lose faith in, because Murksa's posting has been solid the whole game and looks genuine. Also eliminating MNOWAX and Anstonio for obvious reasons. (That takes it down to 12 players I need to read.)

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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon

I dont really see the Cyan vote though. Why is town-hunting or listing townreads scummy?

In hindsight, this is incredibly scummy, so AP's my first revised scumread.

In summary, so far, we've got:
Taylor as town.
Athexx as town.
Murksa as town.
MNOWAX as town.
Anstonio as town.

AngryPidgeon as scum.

Six down, 11 to go.

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09-09-2013 , 08:23 PM

#1892

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By the way, sorta seeing Nana as scum, but not nearly as sold on it as I am on AP. Oh, and...

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Okay, on re-read, people basically voted fank because of what fank had done up to that point, which was, mostly, joining the taylor wagon. If there's more to it than that, I've missed it. Odds alone suggest he's town, but one of his replies, the one with all the question marks, felt like a natural incredulous reaction to me.

No strong feelings one way or the other, but nothing about him so far makes me interested in voting for him.

This is enough where I'm willing to put fank officially in the town pile, where he probably was headed anyway.

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09-09-2013 , 08:24 PM

#1893

Magic no wait UDFK

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Originally Posted by traz

Mastin's most recent posts don't sound like a villager who is trying to find wolves before he is wrongfully killed.

They sound like posts from a wolf who is screwed imo

agree 100%

mastin is definitely scum, do not vote anyone else this phase. vote mastin.

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09-09-2013 , 08:26 PM

#1894

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Originally Posted by Verbal32

Who knows. Your push to lynch me yesterday (blind lynching, actually, because I said I was away), is gross.

For the record, I didn't keep pushing Cyan because I questioned myself on whether a good player would screw up that easily. He *did* walk face first into that "trap". I thought I might be over thinking it.

As for saying I think my reads are good this game - that was obviously a hindsight post. At the time.....not sure.....but now, feeling good. Sorry your brain didn't make that connection most of the other players made.

If you like to trade insults with somebody (you seem grouchy), I'm happy to oblige. If you're town, you'll quickly become scum MVP if you don't watch it. Towncred for traz on helping vote scum yesterday.

I still think my townread on Mango is so over the top that it must mean scum.

FoS Foolish due to his lynch being stalled in favor of mine - he might be scum's vig?

FoS Mango for the reason I gave above, and started saying yesterday.

Seriously? I guess people play forum mafia a lot differently than I'm used to playing live mafia. Playing middle of the road and not putting yourself out there is not only seflish but hurts town more than helps it. I like outing myself as a town making pro town plays if only to eliminate myself as a suspect for cop/vigi plays and depending on the game, I use it to take control of the game and eventually take mafia hits. Putting pressure on me for suspicious posting is fine, but FoS on me for playing town well and projecting town is a waste of time.

That being said, no one seems to like Taylor like I do, so I'm moving it back to Foolishness. I've stated my reasons on him multiple times and the same reason why he was a front runner last round to be lynched hasn't changed this round. We'll get the most information from him if he's lynched. TLDR: I know foolishness and he's not playing or thinking like town.

Foolishness

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09-09-2013 , 08:30 PM

#1895

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Kinda sad that I'm getting lynched today when I'm beginning to get in my element, but that just makes it all the more important that I finish this now.

Taylor as town.
Athexx as town.
Murksa as town.
MNOWAX as town.
Anstonio as town.
fank as town.

AngryPidgeon as scum.
Nana as maaaaybe-scum.

I'm going to mirror Pizza and strike a bargain with you all.
IF I ACTUALLY RE-READ ALL 127 PAGES BEFORE MIDNIGHT BY MY TIME (it's currently 5:30), AND I MANAGE TO GET SOLID READS ON AT LEAST 15 PLAYERS, YOU WILL QUOTE MY FINISHED READS LIST AT THE TOP OF EVERY PAGE AFTER I AM LYNCHED AND FLIP TOWN.
(Or as close to every page as you can get, anyway.)

Anyone willing to take the deal? C'mon. There are at least half a dozen ways I can fail this bargain. There's only one way I can win it. Those are good odds, no?

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09-09-2013 , 08:35 PM

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(And for the doubters: Re-reading 127 pages (1), Before midnight (2), getting solid reads on at least 15 players (3), am lynched (4), and flip town (5). So not quite half a dozen, but still. 5:1 odds. You know you want to take the bet.)

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09-09-2013 , 08:36 PM

#1897

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Originally Posted by Athexx

traz pushed both Devourer and Infidel yesterday. If he's scum, he was strongly bussing.

Bus'ing is what scum does best.

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09-09-2013 , 08:37 PM

#1898

mastin2

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Originally Posted by marvellosity

Oh, people kept mentioning Cyan too, but I couldn't remember anything he posted, so I'm assuming it can't have struck me too massively.

This looks out of place, too, so it looks like my random marvel-vote mighta actually been right.

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09-09-2013 , 08:37 PM

#1899

DrippingGoofball

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Hey Mastin do you think AP is vig?

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09-09-2013 , 08:43 PM

#1900

Nana7

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Day is still almost 24 hours away from end.

I vote for more Mastin reads.

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