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09-08-2013 , 10:34 AM
angrypidgeon is definitely not a wolf I think thats pretty clear
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09-08-2013 , 10:34 AM
To elaborate, what changed from you saying cyan/ap arent from the same faction to this ->

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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
As town he gets maddeningly paranoid. He starts to toss out all kinds of crazy ideas, changes him mind, adopts another crazy idea for 5 minutes, indulges in wacky conspiracy theories, doubts PRs and innocents...

Here he is not at all paranoid.

I would have expected him to got after me by now, because we're from the same home site and I would expect me to be targeted with heightened paranoia.

He's not paranoid, he knows who the scum are, they're listed in his role PM.
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09-08-2013 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Magic no wait UDFK
angrypidgeon is definitely not a wolf I think thats pretty clear
thoughts on chrja?
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09-08-2013 , 10:35 AM
I'd love DrippingGoofball to be mafia, then we can just solve the game by lynching into people who are suspicious of me.

Easy!
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09-08-2013 , 10:43 AM
btw, binkles, I did kinda like your meta-case on chrja, notably the change in tone between jokey and serious depending on the alignment. Really I just want to see him post this cycle more than anything else :/
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09-08-2013 , 10:50 AM
thanks! and yeah, me too =/

ah well, anyway I'm gonna go to bed, should be awake ~1hr before EOD
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09-08-2013 , 12:00 PM
Votes from post 1043 to post 1331
Night in 8:00:59

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VotesLynchVoters
4 Athexx Anstonio (19), Magic no wait UDFK (11), Foolishness (10), TheMango (15)
4 Foolishness Infidel_PA (4), fank009 (35), MNOWAX (2), Nana7 (25)
1 Devourer weareking (8)
1 chrja captain binkles (41)
1 AngryPidgeon DrippingGoofball (17)
1 captain binkles mastin2 (11)
1 Magic no wait UDFK Murska (19)
1 mastin2 traz (17)
8 not voting Verbal32 (3), TaylorFitz (4), marvellosity (12), Devourer (0), chrja (0), Blood Fox (6), Athexx (0), AngryPidgeon (6)
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09-08-2013 , 12:13 PM
Unvote

I'm not leaving my vote on Devourer since I'd just be throwing away my vote on someone who clearly isn't going to be voted for =\
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09-08-2013 , 12:24 PM
Marvel, I suspect Traz for not looking interested at the end of d1, for giving "mega" village points to Binkles and Marvel for what they said at the end of the day about Cyan (I can see village lean maybe but not mega for that) and overall feel.

Starting to suspect Marvel more for dismissing the votes on Foolish. Rereading the defenses Foolish gave to Soah's point, 2 were simply "lol" and AP was dismissed outright and mine not even mentioned. Oh yeah, great defense. Not. I still have not seen my point addressed. Still liking my vote on Foolish.
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09-08-2013 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
thoughts on chrja?
I cant remember reading anything he has posted.
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09-08-2013 , 01:00 PM
Votes from post 1043 to post 1335
Night in 7:00:58

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VotesLynchVoters
4 Athexx Anstonio (19), Magic no wait UDFK (12), Foolishness (10), TheMango (15)
4 Foolishness Infidel_PA (4), fank009 (35), MNOWAX (2), Nana7 (26)
1 chrja captain binkles (41)
1 AngryPidgeon DrippingGoofball (17)
1 captain binkles mastin2 (11)
1 Magic no wait UDFK Murska (19)
1 mastin2 traz (17)
1 unvote weareking (9)
8 not voting Verbal32 (3), TaylorFitz (4), marvellosity (12), Devourer (0), chrja (0), Blood Fox (6), Athexx (0), AngryPidgeon (6)
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09-08-2013 , 01:32 PM
I actually don't see why there are 4 votes on Athexx but no one is willing to vote Devourer. If I have to decide between Athexx/Foolishness it's not gonna be fun.
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09-08-2013 , 02:00 PM
Votes from post 1043 to post 1337
Night in 6:00:58

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VotesLynchVoters
4 Athexx Anstonio (19), Magic no wait UDFK (12), Foolishness (10), TheMango (15)
4 Foolishness Infidel_PA (4), fank009 (35), MNOWAX (2), Nana7 (26)
1 chrja captain binkles (41)
1 AngryPidgeon DrippingGoofball (17)
1 captain binkles mastin2 (11)
1 Magic no wait UDFK Murska (19)
1 mastin2 traz (17)
1 unvote weareking (10)
8 not voting Verbal32 (3), TaylorFitz (4), marvellosity (12), Devourer (0), chrja (0), Blood Fox (6), Athexx (0), AngryPidgeon (6)
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09-08-2013 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nana7
Marvel, I suspect Traz for not looking interested at the end of d1, for giving "mega" village points to Binkles and Marvel for what they said at the end of the day about Cyan (I can see village lean maybe but not mega for that) and overall feel.

Starting to suspect Marvel more for dismissing the votes on Foolish. Rereading the defenses Foolish gave to Soah's point, 2 were simply "lol" and AP was dismissed outright and mine not even mentioned. Oh yeah, great defense. Not. I still have not seen my point addressed. Still liking my vote on Foolish.
Where is your case? So far all your posts about me have been "read what this other guy said".
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09-08-2013 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
Goofball why do you want to lynch AP, you said earlier that he and Cyan aren't from the same faction, what changed?
The AP behavioral tells are just overwhelming. You should see how insanely paranoid he gets. He's really just coasting fearlessly here. He is not town.
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09-08-2013 , 02:13 PM
Hi all.

Presumably I'm gathering votes because I haven't been around. Yeah I really should have let someone else represent BGG since I knew I wasn't going to be around much this past week.

Anyway,

Foolishness for now while I try to catch up.
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09-08-2013 , 02:14 PM
Infidel

I'm ok with some devourer heat as well. I agree that more people need to be jumping in and defending themselves for some pretty unspectacular play.
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09-08-2013 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by marvellosity
Current pile of bad guys: Verbal (mysterious Mango townread), Mango (lots of bleh, not incisive posts, suspicion of dead townie, weak play), Nana (attacking Foolish), DrippingGoofball (unproductive one-liners, next to walk the plank after Cyan). More to follow!
interesting list hrm
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09-08-2013 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Athexx
Hi all.

Presumably I'm gathering votes because I haven't been around. Yeah I really should have let someone else represent BGG since I knew I wasn't going to be around much this past week.

Anyway,

Foolishness for now while I try to catch up.
Okay I just read the cases made against Foolishness first and it seems quite interesting given that according to his bio, Foolishness has never been mislynched in his home forum and self describes as a thorough and analytical player. The behavior indicated in the cases made against him in this game seem baffling in contrast with that.
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09-08-2013 , 02:20 PM
Hey guys, sorry for missing most of today. The weekend has been pretty busy for me.

On the plus side i got no plans for the rest of the evening.
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09-08-2013 , 02:21 PM
From tomorrow on my available time will be in extreme short supply. We'll see how much I can manage, but I'll be spending the majority of my days underground in a military installation with no connections, no phones etc.

However, I'll try to keep up the best I can.
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09-08-2013 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Foolishness
Where is your case? So far all your posts about me have been "read what this other guy said".
Total mischaracterization. You still ignore my question. Where did your interest in saving Giga go when MNO was shown to be town? And why did you take so long to see what Tony and MNO were claiming?

And I have more from today. You edited a quote from me to delete what precisely countered the claim you were trying to make. You dismissed 2 of Soah's points with nothing more than a lol. You keep mischaracterizing my posts.
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09-08-2013 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
Chrja this game











A lot of his posts are about presenting reads, it's not really an evolution of thoughts, rather a "I think x about y, here's why". It comes off fairly confident. And that's fine, it's often a stylistic thing. Except we see that sort of approach far more from him as a wolf:

Chrja as a wolf













chrja as a villager

Meanwhile as a villager there's often a lower level of confidence and more joking around. The things he are confident about are also more to do with him, which makes sense because he knows his own role.











Granted, he was more in 'real time' for the posts above, but he's catching up later and imo there are noticeable differences to his catching up here





^ about himself









^^^ that's the only one similar to his wolf game/this game I found while looking quickly.

I didn't really want to get into this until tomorrow or whatever because I do think the actual content of his posts has been decent, like I said above I expected to be clearing him from quickly reading those games, so I wanted to do more research, but Soah somehow read these games and came to the opposite conclusion, so now everyone can take a quick look and decide for themselves.*shrug*

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anyway, back to this lynch
Binkels could you explain to me why you decided to do this case, at this time.

I get that you made a case earlier that soah disagreed with. what worries me is that with 20 min left of the day you decide to elaborate on a case where you don't even feel that strongly about me.

Why didn't you focus on the lynch at hand? why didn't you push some of your stronger reads?
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09-08-2013 , 02:27 PM
Can someone fill me in on how the votes are arranged in the vote posts? And what the numbers indicate?

It looks like TheMango placed the first vote on me, but prior to that he had the longest held vote on Foolishness, even though when he initially placed his vote, his was the third vote? So vote order is right to left? Is that correct?
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09-08-2013 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
So I made this post about chrja near EOD yesterday. I know everyone and their mother hates reading previous games but I think it's worth a look-see here

If you click through my quote (click on the blue arrow thing next to my name) it will redirect you to my original post so you can see the imbedded quotes.



So, this could be confirmation bias here but I also though, in retrospect, that chrja's comments on the main wagons were pretty meh. The main wagons were mnowax (super super likely villager) and giga (dead villager), here's what he had to say about them:







once again, click the blue arrow below to read the posts he's quoting





I think both of these opinions are pretty meh. They aren't confident at all and I don't think there's really significant data by either player to warrant a 'they should post more but they could go either way' lean, it seems overly cautious and a bit like chrja is struggling to lie about their roles.

"overall kind of meh - could be villa could be wolf. Should definitely post more."

^ this, for example, I just struggle to see too many villagers saying something like that when reading the totality of giga's posts. You could say that he's been wolfy whilst acknowledging that he could still be a villager, or that he's been wolfy but should post more, or anything really. This whole thing just rubs me the wrong way though.

I really hope this isn't confirmation bias skewing things, I really hate it when that happens :P I mean I read those chrja games yesterday expecting to be able to call him a villager and then...couldn't. And I really am surprised by this total lack of strong opinions. Hopefully we see lots of good stuff from him today so I don't have to keep pushing my favourite funky chicken
Binkels i don't get this case at all regarding me being vague about the two main wagons.

You asked me to give my opinion on the two main wagons(one now a dead villager and the other a very likely villager) I read and quoted their post and came to the conclusion that i didn't find any of them particularly wolfy but with so few post i wasn't ready to clear them.

I also called them both copout lynches nobody should be able to get any strong opinion on two players with that few posts, and lynching them even if they where wolfs would have given the village very few informations.

How can you find this wolfy i don't get it?
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