oh damn, was hoping you'd be around to sign off on my elite list

guess you'll have to do it by phone

Is anyone interested in lynching Tony? I put him as pretty much guaranteed wolf.

Tbf they are the two leading wagons

Votes are only copouts if there aren't good reasons for them, and there are (and for Anstonio, Mango...).

They're not all gonna be mafia though, the trick is trying to sieve between the mafia and townies playing really bizarrely/badly

"leading wagon" doesn't mean much when the votes are almost spread out evenly

Very interested if he doesn't back up his 99.99% townread on MNOWAX.

His excuses for not explaining his read are hilariously laughable.

traz, tell me what this Anstonio stuff on MNOWAX means to you?

I've seen some people mention mango and I'm just not feeling that one. Think mango is probably village for now.

Anstonio is whatever. Could be, but I'm not voting him today.

haha crosspost. I think he could just be wrong, as opposed to wolfy.

Verbal and devourer on the other hand.......don't forget them. They made me all tingly for sure.

So you think his 99.9% townread on MNOWAX that he won't explain comes from a townie perspective? Or what?

It's nothing to do with being wrong, btw. It's about dropping a read and refusing to back it up.

damnit traz I'm hurriedly putting together my list as we speak and here you are making me look like a massive spongeface

Especially, by the way, a read on the leading vote-getter.

If you're *that* convinced that the leading wagon is town, you should probably be persuading people not to vote for him and vote for someone else.

Instead he talks about being ignored and that we might not want to listen to him...

It smells in every way conceivable.

Yo Cyan my bro, can you explain this for me?

I mean I guess you can be technically correct whilst also creating unnecessary urgency. But pointing out in your second post that 'each day period...is incredibly short', well that seems at odds with a lot of your contention in the first quote?

Tony's posts were so bad it had to have been bad on purpose. I honestly think he was literally asking to be lynched with those posts. For reals. And though my first inclination is to deny wolf requests, Tony is tricky enough that I would rather just do it in case he is trying a reverse psychology thing.

Marvellosity it's a pretty anti-town thing of Anstonio to do but I'm not convinced it's scummy

My only hesitation with voting for Anstonio is that often when my blood boils at sheer ineptitude and stupidity, they turn out to be town. Elsewise it's the scummiest thing in the whole thread.

I drop reads without backing them up all the time haha.

Meh. I've commented on some people "soft-defending" already. My thoughts about Antonio doing that are two-fold.

a) i don't think a wolf is going to be so adamant about it, just to defend someone with alot of heat. That just brings heat onto him. I would expect a wolf to defend more subtly and then try to redirect to someone else.

b) if mnowax flips villager, THEN i will go back and see who was trying to get brownie points for clearing him. Only then.

Explain to me the townie way of thinking then. Humour me.

The idea that someone is too good to make bad posts is incredibly flawed. If that were true, you wouldn't be saying his posts are bad, because he'd be too good to post them anyways. Faulty premise.

So if you're 99.9% certain the leading wagon is town, you don't bother explaining why and you let the wagon keep on going and tell people not to listen to you, because it's ok for your super strong townread to get lynched?

Well, things are so out in the open that I don't see any reason to beat in the bush anymore. Especially given what this game is.

So, to me it looks like this: Anstonio is claiming to know MNOWAX is clear. How could he have this information?

1: He's scum.
2: He's a PR with Night 0 knowledge.

Regardless, he's throwing himself under the bus for MNOWAX. And if he turns out scum, MNOWAX will also be killed & vice versa. This seems like something scum would not do, because a PR ability that is worth losing a wolf to use one extra time is rare. I can't think of any ability that is likely to be included in this game that, as scum, I'd choose one use of over having an extra teammate continue living.

Now, would a townie PR do this? Sure. Lovers, especially, but possibly also Masons or other possibilities. The question then comes up - why would MNOWAX not claim himself, instead of outing a friend to claim for him?

But frankly, the scum know what's going on, so I see no real reason for MNOWAX and Anstonio to not reveal what's going on to us as well. As far as I can see, it's information that the bad guys already have and that we don't.

Vote: Giga13

Now let's hear from MNOWAX in particular.

Could be worse

Sure, i dunno. Villages are pretty bad as a whole so i kinda just let them do what they want until they come around my viewpoint.

Plus if you wanna talk about a copout lynch....anstonio is pretty much it

There's nothing particularly wrong in this post, it just seems so convenient that 2 of the biggest nonsense purveyors in the thread are confirmed to each other... :/

I disagree entirely that he's a copout lynch. Still not sure I want to lynch him though, it seems almost too bad to be true

Sigh, I joined this game hoping not to have the eternal struggle of sorting out crapness from mafia.

"Champions" game, ugh.