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That has no shot of derailing anything, though. All it does is give LKJ another chance to explain why he finds JD wolfy. And when the question is followed by Starr actually sponging LKJ's read, I don't find it wolfy.

In general I'd like people to acknowledge that Starr is probably posting in a way that a newbie wolf who actually knows people's roles would find very difficult. He's very convincingly clueless.

Starr wagoners would also do well to admit that Sun did not fight his lynch very hard at all, so it doesn't make sense for a wolf bro to try to save him, other than as a crazy leveling play that assumes most people will read the situation like I do instead of the way most people do.

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01-12-2013 , 08:39 AM

#1202

McAvoy

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Originally Posted by starrazz

This is great analysis and makes me like gtpitch as a villager, after all.

Yeah she did a very wolfy thing there in the timing and placement of her vote. I'd rather be wrong in voting slighted than try to FPS it with some other wagon. Mets can die tomorrow, I guess.

This is most definitely true. And hardcore is a villager, as I stated LKJ was villaging many times previously.

I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up uaw. It's uaw this uaw that and nobody ever gives a reason.

That's fine, if by pressure you mean a vote for slighted. I don't see why you're clearing mets, though. I am trying to find something, anything villagery about mets and I can't find it. Plus he's claiming 100% surety about something and he's provably wrong. Mets, your analysis is wrong. So wrong that I might actually begin to wonder if maybe you're just an extremely ignorant villager rather than just a hard-charging, mislynching wolf. Since I place priority of reads on actions and their timing rather than tone, I believe a slighted lynch is more appropriate today than a mets lynch.

This is such a stretch. You're going to punish someone for seeing something that I certainly didn't see, that turned out to be correct? I don't even know UAW or what he said that has everyone up in arms. I'm not going to ascribe much to AFK in a 3-day day with a PoR.

You may or may not be right about UAW710 but nobody and I mean nobody has said one thing not one thing about why UAW is so wolfy and I'm going to keep harping on this as long as I see naked votes for UAW because it ticks me off when people vote me with no rationale as a villager and UAW is >rand to be a villager just given that there are only 4 wolves randed in this game.

I'll take it as a compliment that you think I'm a horrible wolf in this game. When I flip villager you will then be forced to think I played as a good villager? Or do you think my game is horrible either way? But the problem is since I am a villager, if you mislynch me thinking I'm a wolf, then I truly am horrible regardless of my role because if I'm wolfing then I didn't do a good job distracting you to someone else and if I'm villaging then I didn't do a good enough job to avoid being mislynched.

So I dont know what to say.

I do have to give you villager points finally for at least articulating some rationale as to why you feel the way you do. But all things considered, and not just your tunneling of me, I feel like you're wolfing.

That's a good vote.

I'd rather correct my read than stand by an incorrect one out of pride.

mets stop howling please, some villagers are trying to sleep

I lol'd.

standard wolfy pop-in (she admits it!) which matches nicely with her wolfy last minute vote

Oh we're reading you just fine, sister. Baseball, prepare to be spanked.

Slighted

Yeah, about this, I was so embarassed at misreading the vote count and sending a PM to a live player when I thought I was dead but in fact it was tied and of course I win the flip so I told the mod I needed to be modkilled and to convey my condolences to the village. When I can't even read votecharts properly I need to take a break so I self-banned for 24 hours knowing that this is a 3-day day and would have plenty of time to catch up on this game.

Define "everything." And why is your post so wolfy? Because it is so jello, so moldable, so shapable, so go with the flowable. I can understand changing your mind as reads change but to just say "hey, anything's possible," while true, is not helpful. Even though you're throwing villager points at me which is like good because I'm villaging but I dont know what you are probably wolfing.

Paranoid villager ITT.

Agreed.

McAvoy you know full well your vote is going to be on me at the first sign of a wagon because you're wolfing extremely hard. You are my CFD prime candidate.

Now watch everyone, you saw it here first, I want you all to make sure you lynch McAvoy if he says one more peep about finding me an attractive lynch candidate or voting for me and when I flip villager you better all hold him accountable and not let him slide for 3 days or some crap on well we gotta lynch so and so and then so and so and lynch outside the claims or whatever bogus B.S. terminology all the old veterans around here use, I dont even know what that means barely and certainly don't understand the logic of it, how about we find the wolves (such as mets, slighted, and mcavoy or at least 2 of those) and then we can lynch them and eat popcorn the entire time? Isn't that a novel idea?

wisdom, followed immediately by

not as wise.

Like I said, paranoid villager. I've never seen a player so paranoid as this noob.

Hey, announcement everybody: I give you all permission to vote to lynch me if you all promise to lynch mets the next day. Because if we trade villager for wolf every other day then we win. However, this might not work because the only person whose affiliation I am 100% sure of is mine. So I don't give permission anymore, plus people like to forget their promises claiming new information. And they wouldnt be binding. I should probably just delete this paragaph. Sigh. I'm villaging.

I suppose I should award massive villager points to rebonk for this correct analysis but he could be noting this with complete (wolf) information.

ok so I think that was post 1, if I keep up at this rate and length, I will have about 3 or 4 posts with more words than the average player by EOD. So low post count is not necessarily gospel wolf, folks.

THIS POST RULES OUT STARAZZ AS THE SEER

THIS POST RULES OUT STARAZZ AS THE SEER

THIS POST RULES OUT STARAZZ AS THE SEER

THIS POST RULES OUT STARAZZ AS THE SEER

THIS POST RULES OUT STARAZZ AS THE SEER

THIS POST RULES OUT STARAZZ AS THE SEER

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01-12-2013 , 08:48 AM

#1203

starrazz

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Originally Posted by McAvoy

Tappokone,

In your analysis, you completely misunderstood this post, starazz is trying to derail the JD CFD here.

That's it, I've had it. McAvoy

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Originally Posted by tappokone

Let's have some fun with PoE.

First we'll eliminate the horrible lynches:

Noah - has been Noahy plus day one wagons if you don't know his game
Ufo - LKJ was villagery plus Ufo is kinda villagery plus day one wagons
Mets - SHC plus JD interactions

The the merely bad ones:

RoundGuy - mostly SHC, kinda villagery too
Starr - day one wagons plus d2 EOD behavior doesn't fit in with Sun giving up

We're left with:

Mac
Pitch
Rebonk
Senor C
Slighted
Uaw
Vix

I'll remove Senor C and Rebonk for being too villagery to be lynched at the moment. This is subjective and I don't know their games that well, but I'll do it anyway. Mac goes because JD found his posting to be bad and said so. It's not very clearing, but it's good enough for now.

Pitch
Slighted
Uaw
Vix

Pitch doesn't work with Slighted or Vix. He works really poorly with Uaw. He's clearly the odd man out here - and probably at this point also the most villagery of this lot. He's out.

Incidentally, that Pitch is removed at this stage doesn't mean that he's the fourth likeliest wolf. I find the argument for him being a villager more compelling than the reasoning I used in the previous culling. We just had to come this far to see why he's a likely villager.

Slighted
Uaw
Vix

If Vix is not a wolf, we've established that he might be leaving correct seer cover. We don't want to mess with that.

Slighted
Uaw

There, ladies and gentlemen, are your wagons.

Now we take into account that a) Uaw is the wolfiest player in the game, and b) JD felt it appropriate to frame his vote on a villager as a defense of Slighted, what we're left with is:

There's your lynch.

I don't understand your reasoning. Please dumb it down.

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Originally Posted by tappokone

It's not a stretch at all. That Sun didn't try very hard at all to avert his lynch greatly increases the odds that he was bussed. The chief candidates there are Uaw and Vix. And Uaw's read on him looks really rather bussy; he went too far with how wolfy he found Sun.

Oh, for goodness' sake.

So at least one person has written a little something about why Uaw is wolfy.

Yes but no quotes of UAW so I didn't read your quotes.

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So three different players have peeked Uaw and none of them have died during the night? Seems to me that improves the odds of Uaw being a wolf.

If I'm the seer, Pitch is a villager. Now he's peeked by at least two people. Will that make you move your vote?

I didn't figure you for someone who'd tiptoe around seer cover and worry about picking up some heat. I thought you'd be more of a "lynch wolfiest player -> profit" type of guy. Have you ever taken a similar line in a past villager game? If so, could you point me to it?

That does not improve the odds of UAW being a wolf, even if it were true. I don't recall one single person claiming that UAW was a villager, let alone 3. Still waiting for somebody, anybody to back up their UAW vote with concrete evidence.

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I'm not clueless. I'm an ignorant villager. Minor quibble.

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01-12-2013 , 08:49 AM

#1204

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Slighted or McAvoy, decisions, decisions. Who to lynch? I'm pretty shocked no one is calling out McAvoy for his extremely obvious wolfiness.

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01-12-2013 , 08:50 AM

#1205

McAvoy

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starz,

I wouldn't even give you a reach around if you let your mom song on my ding dong.

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01-12-2013 , 08:50 AM

#1206

McAvoy

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let you

was suppose to be in there somewhere

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01-12-2013 , 08:52 AM

#1207

starrazz

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Originally Posted by McAvoy

starz,

I wouldn't even give you a reach around if you let your mom song on my ding dong.

McAvoy's Ding Dong Song...sounds like a great title for a future mishmash. I'll have to remember that.

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01-12-2013 , 08:53 AM

#1208

starrazz

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I wonder what the vote count is.

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01-12-2013 , 11:45 AM

#1209

hardcoreUFO

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good, starrazz is a villager and mets can stop being a fool about it

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01-12-2013 , 12:00 PM

#1210

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Originally Posted by McAvoy

THIS POST RULES OUT STARAZZ AS THE SEER

Well, duh. He peeked you villager early on day one and voted you later in the day.

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Originally Posted by starrazz

I don't understand your reasoning. Please dumb it down.

I'll give some reasoning on everyone.

Pitch is a peeked villager if I'm a seer. If I'm not the seer, he doesn't fit at all with my top wolf leans so he shouldn't be lynched anyway. His approach to Uaw is such that I have a hard time believing he knows Uaw is a wolf. Therefore, they're probably not wolfing together. Vix, who's quite wolfy, has wanted to lynch him for some time. Again, not good wolf/wolf material.

I'm clearing Noah for being his usual villagery self and for partaking in the JD wagon. Noah can't post villagery as a wolf, so he doesn't bus. Here he would have had to have done both.

I'm clearing Ufo/LKJ for posting villagery and driving the JD wagon on day one. This is slightly less certain of a call, because LKJ and Ufo can get closer to their villager games as wolves, but it's pretty safe, I think.

RoundGuy is seer hunt cleared, to an extent, from the n1 kill. I find him decently villagery besides. Don't want to lynch him anytime soon.

You look like a fairly obvious villager to me. You're also unlikely to be on the same team as JD, because of day one wagons, and don't fit in well with my top wolf lean Uaw, who attacked you a bit early on day one. Actually I should probably move you to the the "horrible lynches" section, for emphasis.

Senor C has been kind of villagery as well and he's not wolfing with my top wolf lean Uaw. C's reread of Uaw was good and Uaw showed interest on day one in lynching C. Actually, if Uaw is a wolf, I'm lock clearing Senor C.

I'm not clearing Mets, because I think he's posting wolfy at times. He's making terrible cases on likely villagers like RoundGuy earlier and you now, who he'd probably see as easy mislynches. His Nutshot push on day one reads a bit wolfy too, and was directed at another easy mislynch. However, between his seer hunt cleared status from the n2 kill and his interactions with JD, he's clearly a bad lynch today.

Rebonk has nothing mechanical going for him, but I find him villagery. From scanning his old wolf games, I got the impression that he doesn't post like he's posting in this game when he's a wolf. At crunch time I'd look at those games again and maybe clear him harder or change my mind. For now, let's not lynch him today.

Mac is a bad fit with both JD and my top wolf lean Uaw. He has done some villagery things and some wolfy things. My history of trying to read him is long and troubled and I'm not going to make the call right now, but I think there's a good chance he's a villager.

Slighted is a difficult case. His posts read kind of awkward at times, but maybe that's just how he posts. He's almost spewed clear by JD, but it's a jittery sort of thing where I have to be on the right level to get it right. I don't think he's going to flip wolf very reliably, but he needs to be in the PoE, so he's an okay lynch.

Vix is wolfy. Villager Vix should care more and have some verve in his posting. His wolf hunting is sub-par. He often has a mechanical reason for finding someone wolfy - usually "is not posting" - yet he refuses to vote for the wolfiest player in the game, who's not posting. He's a prime bussing candidate on the Sun wagon. Again, Sun made no real attempt to save himself, so there's an excellent chance the bus was in. Vix's seer cover is good if he's not a wolf, so I don't particularly want to lynch him today. However, if the wagons are X/Vix where X is not Uaw or Slighted, I'll vote for him. Hell, I might vote for him even he's up against Slighted.

Uaw is fast approaching outed wolf status and I'm kind of surprised other villagers aren't seeing. He pretty much has to be a wolf if I have any clue at all about what's going on in this game.

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Yes but no quotes of UAW so I didn't read your quotes.

Click through to the original messages to see plenty of Uaw quotes.

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Originally Posted by starrazz

I wonder what the vote count is.

Votes as of post 1208
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	gtpitch	Slighted (6), vixticator (20)
2	starrazz	metsandfinsfan (38), RoundGuy (8)
2	vixticator	rebonkulous (28), hardcoreUFO (30)
1	McAvoy	starrazz (9)
1	Slighted	gtpitch (12)
1	UAW710	tappokone (27)
4	not voting	McAvoy (12), Noah (1), Senor Cardgage (5), UAW710 (0)

I've highlighted the important bit.

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01-12-2013 , 12:04 PM

#1211

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fwiw

tappokone is a very very good villager and if he is villaging here you should probably listen to him, starrazz.

and I'd say tappokone is very very rarely wolfing here.

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01-12-2013 , 12:12 PM

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tappakone is either an awful player that is trying to get the shc player to break cover on d3 of a 17er or a wolf who is playing a pretty brilliant game

and im probably done with this game

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01-12-2013 , 12:17 PM

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and now felipe will use tappo clearing star as an excuse to not have to read him and tappo thinks thats awesome

i wish there was a way to ignore a thread

my best option is probably to count how many vote posts i made and hit my post limit by noon. then i can ignore the thead

i will have much more to say about this in the postgame tappo. but your play is very antivilllage regardless of your role. so you have not been wolfy. i dont THINK you are a wolf. but i pray to raptor christ that you are or i may get my first infraction points of the year in the postgame

HARDCOREUFO until he does a mq on both eods for starazz and stops with the lame butthurt sandy vag "oh i dont reread angleshooters it hurts my feelings" fake excuses

shalom
BILL

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01-12-2013 , 12:50 PM

#1214

hardcoreUFO

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I'm using starr clearing starr actually

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01-12-2013 , 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

tappakone is either an awful player that is trying to get the shc player to break cover on d3 of a 17er or a wolf who is playing a pretty brilliant game

There's no logic to that. I'm only trying to get you to drop cover if I'm a wolf. If I'm a villager I just don't particularly care whether you drop cover or not.

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i will have much more to say about this in the postgame tappo. but your play is very antivilllage regardless of your role. so you have not been wolfy. i dont THINK you are a wolf. but i pray to raptor christ that you are or i may get my first infraction points of the year in the postgame

*shrug* That should be good for a laugh.

Just so we're clear, my play is "very antivillage" because I'm trying to wagon Uaw, your peek, right? What do you make of Rebonk and Ufo voting for Vix, your other peek, or Slighted and Vix voting for Pitch, your third peek? Why aren't you upset about those wagons? They're both at two votes whereas I'm the only person voting for Uaw.

Given that everyone and their dog seems to want to wagon one of your peeks, how can you possibly believe that me wanting to lynch Uaw has anything to do with your seer cover?

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01-12-2013 , 01:29 PM

#1216

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because i am shc and if im alive tomorrow (MONDAY) i would hardclaim or drop cover since i am a logical kill but i am the only real shc player in the game and i might be the seer but you all are so sure all of my peeks are aids and hardcore wont even mq starrazz eod and the whole ****ing world is against me

i should ask the mod if i can post a video and then i can really go off

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01-12-2013 , 01:57 PM

#1217

gtpitch

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uaw710

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01-12-2013 , 01:59 PM

#1218

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Originally Posted by gtpitch

uaw710

Note I can pretty much interchange slighted and UAW at this point. They are both wolves so wagoning them both isn't a bad thing. I think we hit no matter which person we end up on when the day is done.

I mean slighted made like 6 posts about how he can't be a wolf and that's pretty much it. It doesn't make a lot of sense to be clearing him right now.

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01-12-2013 , 02:08 PM

#1219

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Originally Posted by gtpitch

uaw710

Nice that's nice.

From a wagon cleanliness standpoint, Uaw wagon wins, Vix wagon is second, and Pitch wagon is a very distant third. Personally, I think wolves are scared to bus Uaw because they think I'm expecting it.

I'm gone for the night now, but I still have some things I want to talk about before we lynch anyone. If any wagon gets to five votes, villagers should start unvoting.

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01-12-2013 , 02:20 PM

#1220

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yes let's lynch one of my peeks, they are the only 3 good wagons today

f you annie for randing me seer

im beyond tilted

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01-12-2013 , 02:21 PM

#1221

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Votes from post 1008 to post 1220
Night in 1 day 05:39:11
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	gtpitch	vixticator (20), Slighted (6)
2	vixticator	rebonkulous (28), hardcoreUFO (33)
2	UAW710	gtpitch (14), tappokone (30)
1	starrazz	RoundGuy (8)
1	hardcoreUFO	metsandfinsfan (42)
1	McAvoy	starrazz (9)
3	not voting	McAvoy (12), UAW710 (0), Senor Cardgage (5)
1	Error	Noah (2)

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01-12-2013 , 02:21 PM

#1222

Noah

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2

Back and starting to catch up for the weekend now. What's going on with current wagons?

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01-12-2013 , 02:22 PM

#1223

metsandfinsfan

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Error

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01-12-2013 , 02:26 PM

#1224

Noah

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expert x post

Why on earth are people voting vix?

mets why are you on hardcore?

And why is pitch now voting UAW after everything he's said about him?

Really going to catch up properly now

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01-12-2013 , 02:33 PM

#1225

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noah

people have decided that since i am shc, that one of my village peeks has to be lynched to make me go metsy

no joke

that's the consensus

and they are clearing starrazz even tho he claimed wolf at eod yesterday

no joke again

you cannopt make this stuff up

hardcore refuses to reread starrazzx "cause he is an angleshooter, and i hate him, and i wish he woudl leave pog, and i am too biased to read him mets" so he gets away with just clearing him

tappo has decided the ONLY 3 ACCEPTABLE LYNCHES are my 3 peeked villagers. nobody else is acceptable and if you vote anyone else you should die in a flame of oil

where the **** is allen funt or jamie kennedy

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