1/7 Fast Food Vanilla WW Slow Game Thread
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More re-reading! This time, LKJ/hardcoreUFO.
Liking LKJ's thought process with the Slighted stuff.
And noticing that LKJ seems to keep track of toooooooons of meta stuff. Like... tons.
More villagery-seeming posting.
Pushing star and super-suspicious of Noah (which changes later).
Solid-ish meta reasons for coming after star. This stuff reads as villagery or solid-wolf-y. Like, if LKJ is a wolf, he feels confident wolfing.
I like this post. Quite a bit, in fact.
More good posting. Worth noting: if LKJ/hardcore is a wolf, LKJ's wolfy read of Noah was soft in a way that gave him the opportunity to easily switch off later (which he in fact does). But the read itself isn't wolfy, IMO.
Like, yeah, if LKJ is a wolf, wolf points for Noah for this stuff. Turns his read around in a way that seems also meant to convince others. But the change itself is kinda villagery for LKJ (or, confident, strong wolf-ish. Can't turn off the paranoid part of my brain on this one).
Although if LKJ is a wolf, I suppose it could be a situation in which he considers Noah a strong villager and is legitimately afraid of him. Also possible. Feel free to jump on me for "hedging" everything. Wee!
This comes across as villagery. Again, if I'm wrong, small wolf points for tappo.
Dislike this stuff and it comes off slightly unnatural. Like... I just don't like it. He seemed really anti-Star and this jump-on/jump-off smells like there's something going on behind the scenes. Meh.
And then he feels like jumping back on when the wagon gets another vote? Mehhhhhh. This is the most outright wolfy stuff that I can find in LKJ's posts.
Feel good about J.D. and LKJ not being w/w, at least.
Wolf points for RG if LKJ is a wolf. (Unfortunately, most of the good info I'm getting from these rereads is dependent on people flipping wolf. Meh.)
k, now on to hardcore's stuff.
hardcore, when did you start reading the thread? Were you reading before you subbed in? You start out basically by saying that rebonk was villagery d1 and by knowing what the NK's fake peek was. But then you go through reading page by page like you haven't read at all.
That confuses me.
This part I think is huge villa points for rebonk if hardcore/LKJ is a wolf.
This post sounds gross and wolfy. But the way rebonk was talking about hardcore, apparently he does focus a lot on seer-y, peek-y stuff. So maybe it's not really all that gross. Eh.
I actually dislike the confidence here- the "omg super obv bro" stuff is a thing I turn to by accident sometimes when wolfing. Don't like it.
Did anything specifically change regarding UAW? On your original read, you thought his posts came off villagery, partly for his non-consensus reads, etc.
Anyway. I feel like I'm almost exclusively pointing out "wolfy" stuff on this reread... but LKJ's posts actually leave me thinking he's more likely a villager (please speak up and let me know if LKJ has a history of awesome wolfing). I'm just kind of paranoid. I'd love to clear up some stuff from hardcore's posts, though.
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Meh I didn't actually remember that comment from the wolf chat.
It's more that it struck me as an odd thing to say since:
1. Slighted has been mislynched twice in the last month or so, once on d1, so it's surprising if he doesn'get lynched as a wolf and does with some relative ease as a villager.
2. You mentioned that you "read me well" based on...one real read ever, and three total games played together.
In short, it seems like you're making **** up. But perhaps the comment about Slighted is explainable.
It's more that it struck me as an odd thing to say since:
1. Slighted has been mislynched twice in the last month or so, once on d1, so it's surprising if he doesn'get lynched as a wolf and does with some relative ease as a villager.
2. You mentioned that you "read me well" based on...one real read ever, and three total games played together.
In short, it seems like you're making **** up. But perhaps the comment about Slighted is explainable.
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I'm doing a horrible job of conserving posts but I guess I got a late start anyway.
Wanted to add that I also don't like going out of your way to find mundane things about starrazz to call role-neutral and then finding even more abstract reasons to call him villagery (posting a video for absolutely no reason is villagery? What?).
Wanted to add that I also don't like going out of your way to find mundane things about starrazz to call role-neutral and then finding even more abstract reasons to call him villagery (posting a video for absolutely no reason is villagery? What?).
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Yeah Noah's got an agenda. But let's go ahead and find other wolves before him since he'll spew his entire team if we just give him a few days.
Starrazz is a likely wolf. His opening was awful, his claim that he's the default d1 lynch is a lie since he's never been lynched d1 (at least in a non-turbo), and this doesn't look like his villager games.
Starrazz is a likely wolf. His opening was awful, his claim that he's the default d1 lynch is a lie since he's never been lynched d1 (at least in a non-turbo), and this doesn't look like his villager games.
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1. The fact that your posts don't follow for me logically.
2. I already pointed out things that fit my recent games with you where you've played both roles.
3. The fact that you're jumping to a wrong conclusion about me feels like a scared attempt to try to undermine perfectly legitimate things that I'm saying. When we were w/w but you didn't know we were teammates (and you later said that you thought I was a villager coming after you), your playbook seemed to consist of spite-voting, spite-voting, and more spite-voting. What makes me suspicious here? Yet another spite vote. It's more comfortable for you when you're a wolf to keep your vote on someone legitimately hassling you than it is to actually find wolves.
2. I already pointed out things that fit my recent games with you where you've played both roles.
3. The fact that you're jumping to a wrong conclusion about me feels like a scared attempt to try to undermine perfectly legitimate things that I'm saying. When we were w/w but you didn't know we were teammates (and you later said that you thought I was a villager coming after you), your playbook seemed to consist of spite-voting, spite-voting, and more spite-voting. What makes me suspicious here? Yet another spite vote. It's more comfortable for you when you're a wolf to keep your vote on someone legitimately hassling you than it is to actually find wolves.
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Anyway, before I get into specific replies to Noah, a couple of things:
1. I'm pretty sure that in his history of making great reads on me, the v/v game he's counting involved him voting me during the last hour before EOD, then peeking me that night on my prompting and having me as a peeked villager for the rest of the game. I don't for a second think that he's being sincere about having a real history of reading me great, though I know there could be some recency bias turning that into a sincere statement. I don't much like that he boldly tried to stick by it though; that seems dishonest.
2. I can hopefully talk more expansively about this tomorrow, but wolfNoah will keep his vote on me all day long. Village Noah will move his vote around and make other clear reads while just consistently keeping me in his list of wolves. That's your meta, Noah; you'll be held answerable for failing to make anything but spite-reads today. Don't go into anti-spew just because a couple of us are onto you early.
1. I'm pretty sure that in his history of making great reads on me, the v/v game he's counting involved him voting me during the last hour before EOD, then peeking me that night on my prompting and having me as a peeked villager for the rest of the game. I don't for a second think that he's being sincere about having a real history of reading me great, though I know there could be some recency bias turning that into a sincere statement. I don't much like that he boldly tried to stick by it though; that seems dishonest.
2. I can hopefully talk more expansively about this tomorrow, but wolfNoah will keep his vote on me all day long. Village Noah will move his vote around and make other clear reads while just consistently keeping me in his list of wolves. That's your meta, Noah; you'll be held answerable for failing to make anything but spite-reads today. Don't go into anti-spew just because a couple of us are onto you early.
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Yeah Noah's a villager 99% of the time, so discard my accusations from yesterday.
While I could see a progression of me saying "Noah's a wolf, so all he'll do is tunnel" to Noah branching out and making a couple of other reads to at least fit a village meta, I seriously doubt that he would spout that many reads off so quickly. He fears spewing more than anything and he would react to his meta in a different way I'm pretty sure.
While I could see a progression of me saying "Noah's a wolf, so all he'll do is tunnel" to Noah branching out and making a couple of other reads to at least fit a village meta, I seriously doubt that he would spout that many reads off so quickly. He fears spewing more than anything and he would react to his meta in a different way I'm pretty sure.
Although if LKJ is a wolf, I suppose it could be a situation in which he considers Noah a strong villager and is legitimately afraid of him. Also possible. Feel free to jump on me for "hedging" everything. Wee!
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I just went back and reread your case on him. At the time I kind of glossed it because (1) I thought you were a wolf and (2) the bit about the exchange with nutshot made me shrug.
I do think the lack of reads is a concern now that you point it out. The game I most vividly remember with him is Election (it's not my most recent with him, but I was near endgame and it was a slow game and I reread him a bunch). I remember him directing traffic with regard to me, the newer player, and we were v/v. So that matches up. His tone has seemed fine to me. But I think I need to go back and refresh myself on how he started off early in that game as far as content goes. I've also villaged against wolfTappo in a slow game, and while he was sketching me out I only realized that he was a wolf after I had already been nightkilled.
I'm neutral on him right now but let me go take a look at Election because if he was giving reads early in that one (I vaguely seem to remember him going after Monte) then I'll probably join you on this.
I do think the lack of reads is a concern now that you point it out. The game I most vividly remember with him is Election (it's not my most recent with him, but I was near endgame and it was a slow game and I reread him a bunch). I remember him directing traffic with regard to me, the newer player, and we were v/v. So that matches up. His tone has seemed fine to me. But I think I need to go back and refresh myself on how he started off early in that game as far as content goes. I've also villaged against wolfTappo in a slow game, and while he was sketching me out I only realized that he was a wolf after I had already been nightkilled.
I'm neutral on him right now but let me go take a look at Election because if he was giving reads early in that one (I vaguely seem to remember him going after Monte) then I'll probably join you on this.
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Noah,
Meh. He was posting pretty hard early in Election (link here if you want it), but as I read page ones of both games I don't think they're easily distinguishable. I think he's just one of those like Slighted who has a tone that people don't take to as villagery and that it causes more suspicion than he has coming.
I tend to think he's villaging.
Meh. He was posting pretty hard early in Election (link here if you want it), but as I read page ones of both games I don't think they're easily distinguishable. I think he's just one of those like Slighted who has a tone that people don't take to as villagery and that it causes more suspicion than he has coming.
I tend to think he's villaging.
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Nutshot registers in April 2007. Has 29,859 posts since that date. To round up on the estimated number of days on 2p2, it's ~2100. That's an average of about 14 posts per day. From his last post to this one, he has posted elsewhere on 2p2 24 times, all over in SE just shooting the breeze about sports.
His claim of being busy doesn't really pass the sniff test.
nutshot is probably a better vote than star if mets doesn't go.
His claim of being busy doesn't really pass the sniff test.
nutshot is probably a better vote than star if mets doesn't go.
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Gah. The problem with voting nutshot is that it's pretty damn thin. Him going UtR and posting elsewhere isn't, by itself, a wolf tell for him at all. It's pretty much what he does in mishmashes if he doesn't rand wolf or rand a power role.
So all I'm really going on is the fact that he seemed to be untruthful there, and I've never seen him feel the need to do that. But that was before he got bitched about at length for his non-posting, so that's kind of explainable too.
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So all I'm really going on is the fact that he seemed to be untruthful there, and I've never seen him feel the need to do that. But that was before he got bitched about at length for his non-posting, so that's kind of explainable too.
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k, now on to hardcore's stuff.
That confuses me.
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dude you better stop talking about like everyone else's game since you're the expert f3 screw up of all time and wolves love having you around because of it. I had no idea you spent your time bashing me when I'm not playing, but hey! improve, will ya? then when you finally do improve you can get to talk **** about other people.
or like, draw a NK once in a while so maybe you won't be the wolves' favorite toy.
blergh.
or like, draw a NK once in a while so maybe you won't be the wolves' favorite toy.
blergh.
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make it up?
are you calling me a wolf here br0?
then go ahead and do it.
you wanna know why roundguy is SHC?
here:
about new guy. this is as seery as it gets. but he goes further:
talking to roundguy as if he knows roundguy is a villager. LDO. ldoldoldoldo.
noah is a cemented villa read. so what? noah is the villageriest villager ever. no one is gonna take that as an actual peek when everyone is clearing the guy. wolves are gonna look for a somewhat contradictory, stronger
villa read.
like this is so obvious it kinda hurts that I have to make this post to you, mets.
I'm not saying the guy is a villager. I'm saying the guy is SHC. and stop voting him cause seriously, can you actually get any worse at this?
(fwiw roundguy is villagery from the posts I read from him)
are you calling me a wolf here br0?
then go ahead and do it.
you wanna know why roundguy is SHC?
here:
about new guy. this is as seery as it gets. but he goes further:
talking to roundguy as if he knows roundguy is a villager. LDO. ldoldoldoldo.
noah is a cemented villa read. so what? noah is the villageriest villager ever. no one is gonna take that as an actual peek when everyone is clearing the guy. wolves are gonna look for a somewhat contradictory, stronger
villa read.
like this is so obvious it kinda hurts that I have to make this post to you, mets.
I'm not saying the guy is a villager. I'm saying the guy is SHC. and stop voting him cause seriously, can you actually get any worse at this?
(fwiw roundguy is villagery from the posts I read from him)
Anyway. I feel like I'm almost exclusively pointing out "wolfy" stuff on this reread... but LKJ's posts actually leave me thinking he's more likely a villager (please speak up and let me know if LKJ has a history of awesome wolfing). I'm just kind of paranoid. I'd love to clear up some stuff from hardcore's posts, though.
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senor cardgage, I really have nothing to respond to you because you don't have a case.
also you're reaching.
also you're reaching.
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What? Just answer my questions. I said I have you as villagery, dude.
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