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02-12-2009 , 09:16 PM

truthy

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I'm playing and beating the 11 dollar HU SNG's on FTP quite easily. I've read about moving up and what BR you need to move up and all that so this isn't about moving up, it's about skill levels. Will the skill level at $22 be that much more on average or will it be about the same? Is the biggest jump at $50 (seems like it would be)?

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02-12-2009 , 09:19 PM

PrimordialAA

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biggest jump is DEFFFF. 110 -> 220 IMO, but 50s -> 100s is also a jump

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02-12-2009 , 09:19 PM

TNixon

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It totally depends.

I've played mostly regular speeds on FTP, avoiding the turbos for the most part, and the absolute without question hardest jump for me was actually from $20 to $30. I can't tell you how many times I crossed that barrier back and forth. :/

Oh yeah, and...

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Try the LC or the beginner's thread

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02-12-2009 , 09:32 PM

spamz

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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA

biggest jump is DEFFFF. 110 -> 220 IMO, but 50s -> 100s is also a jump

really? i've been playing 110s and 220s for a couple of months now and i can't really say there's a big difference between them; my roi on the 220s is even higher than on the 110s (but sample size may be a bit too small here)

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02-12-2009 , 09:42 PM

I.M. Baked

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i had a lot of difficulty going from the $11.50 to $23 on stars. a lot less monkeys imo. people say there is no difference but i dissagree. the people who say that are playing higher and dont notice because they are that much better than the $23ers so to them the difference is small. plus they probably played them when the games were easier. be ready for it and dont listen to people saying there is no difference. tread lightly if you're roll doesnt have a good cushion.

edit: i said stars but i've played both and there is a difference on both.

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02-12-2009 , 09:47 PM

Nofear47

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100 to 200 fo sho

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02-12-2009 , 09:53 PM

All_or_Nothing

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more donkeys @ 30 than 20 imo.

I run like god though.

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02-12-2009 , 10:34 PM

jackwilcox

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if u think 30's are considerably harder than 20's then you're obv not a very good player and i would question whether you're actually a consistent winner or just running hot at the 20's

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02-12-2009 , 11:10 PM

dippy111

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Originally Posted by jackwilcox

if u think 30's are considerably harder than 20's then you're obv not a very good player and i would question whether you're actually a consistent winner or just running hot at the 20's

You sound like an awesome person.

Seriously though, everyone has different experiences. But 220+ is where the professionals are. Personally 11->20 and 50->100 gave me the most trouble

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02-12-2009 , 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dippy111

You sound like an awesome person.

sorry but i dont understand how you can believe there is a jump from 20 to 30. maybe you didnt table select at the 30's or w/e and ended up against some regs....
imo tho a solid winner will not be at 30's for long as they will move up to 50's etc, so majority of the low stakes HU SnG are gonna be full of fish who just wanna gamble. i cant see how a typical donk that deposits on a site is gonna be playing 20's but not 30's since they have no bankroll management...
therefore i cant really see how there is supposedly a significant difference in skill level.
i think the 110 - 220 sounds like the level it would increase by a lot

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02-12-2009 , 11:41 PM

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RyanJM

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50's is 1st level you encounter ppl that make their living playing poker. 100's is where you find regs that have played on the site for years. Above that is even tougher.

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02-13-2009 , 12:13 AM

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Radish

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i have played 400 11s hu, 460 22s and 60 33s and some 55s with a moderate winrate so far (18% roi at the 11s and 14% at the 22s). i would say that if you beat the 11s over a good sample size and you table select well above there is almost no difference between those stakes but the psychological one. at the 55$ games i felt a little bit shaky and nervous and couldn t play my best game - too scared to loose that buy in. thus just play in your comfort level and you should be fine.

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02-13-2009 , 01:17 AM

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HokieGreg

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i would have said 220 to 550 before stars added the 330 level

i think its 110 to 220 and its not close

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02-13-2009 , 01:22 AM

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how about the 1.1k to 5.5k level before the 2k level was introduced?

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02-13-2009 , 01:38 AM

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HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by hobokes

how about the 1.1k to 5.5k level before the 2k level was introduced?

when did that happen???

i'd guess that was biggest jump lol

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02-13-2009 , 02:11 AM

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AbsraktPB

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depends on your skill level. imo 220s are still relatively easy, not until you get to the 500s are the regs any good at all

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02-13-2009 , 02:14 AM

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HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by AbsraktPB

depends on your skill level. imo 220s are still relatively easy, not until you get to the 500s are the regs any good at all

obviously...

but in terms of starting at low levels and moving up levels, the jump from 110 to 220 is the toughest imo

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02-13-2009 , 02:27 AM

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skates

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There are plenty of very good 230 regs. And the reason why 230 is so much harder than 115 is because 230 is the lowest that the 345/570/1130 players play. I know there were days where I was in both a $1130 and a $230 simultaneously. There are a few people who play across 115/230, but when games get crowded at 345+, lots of people move down and scrape the 230s.

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02-13-2009 , 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jackwilcox

if u think 30's are considerably harder than 20's then you're obv not a very good player and i would question whether you're actually a consistent winner or just running hot at the 20's

Was this aimed at me?

You do know i said the 30s are full of more donkeys than the 20s right?

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02-13-2009 , 08:42 AM

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Centuari

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The real answer is "it depends". I play cash so it's hard for me to say for certain, but I found in my very limited sample size that the $200 SNG games played much weaker than NL200/400 if that's worth anything.

Obviously if you're a more skilled player you're going to have an easier time. I'd strongly recommend to people looking to improve their sng game to learn cash as well, and vice versa. Donk hunting in cash is basically playing a short stacked SNG strategy, except you have infinite rebuys.

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02-13-2009 , 09:52 AM

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Aero1441

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I also play primarily cash games at 100nl and 200nl HU on Stars. I'm wondering what would be an equivalent in skill level when it comes to SNGs?

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02-13-2009 , 09:57 AM

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I agree with the 11s to 22s tbh; I rampaged through most of the other levels but had to make this transition couple of times with moving back down included.

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02-13-2009 , 10:06 AM

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jd_poker

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Beating rake at the $1 level is quite hard imo. After that all you have to do is take monies from the monkeys.

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02-13-2009 , 10:19 AM

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BigDizzle

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There is a big jump from 30s to 50s. 30s and below are very similar in terms of opponents skill level. I noticed a significant increase in the average skill of my opponents at the $50HUsng level.

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02-13-2009 , 02:19 PM

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jackwilcox

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Originally Posted by All_or_Nothing

Was this aimed at me?

You do know i said the 30s are full of more donkeys than the 20s right?

noooo was aimed at the guy who said he is finding 30's much tougher than the 20's and has crosses the barrier back and forth between them

i wasnt insulting OP either, i just feel that rather focusing on when the competition gets tougher, he should focus on his own game and find leaks which can be improved upon.

i think putting a psychological burden on yourself by saying "OMG this level is going to be soooo hard" will make u play worse, and indeed if you are crushing the previous level then any step up should not be toooo difficult. thus why OP should focus on improving his own game rather than worrying how good the competition is.

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