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03-03-2017 , 02:36 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $19.61 (39.2 bb)
    SB: $70.19 (140.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): $61.23 (122.5 bb)
    UTG: $57.48 (115 bb)
    MP: $51.95 (103.9 bb)
    CO: $48.75 (97.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T T
    UTG folds, MP raises to $1.34, CO folds, BTN calls $1.34, SB folds, Hero calls $0.84

    Flop: ($4.27) 2 5 9 (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $2.68, BTN folds, Hero calls $2.68

    Turn: ($9.63) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP checks

    River: ($9.63) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $6.04



    I feel like it was a mistake to not 3bet pre. Can I ever call here with TT? I am definitely shoving sets and straights here and folding unmade combo draws and middle pairs. I don't have JJ,QQ,KK,AA in my range.
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    03-03-2017 , 02:46 PM
    i play 5nlz
    i fold river
    There are pros and cons for 3betting so i don't mind flatting
    personally i 3b 65% and just call 35% of the times

    I just saw that button is a fish so here i 3bet like 90% of the time.

    MP is value betting river.
    Don't think he is value betting 88 because i think he would've double barrell ott w the gutter.

    I fold river.
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    03-03-2017 , 03:37 PM
    I doubt MP is checking turn with JJ+ so the only hands that beat you on the river are 9x. Given the preflop action it's pretty rare for villain to have a 9 plus once you take this action you are pretty high up in your range so river is a call for me.
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    03-04-2017 , 01:00 AM
    ez call. Also I'd squeeze pre.
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    03-04-2017 , 03:34 AM
    fold the river, you block some of his busted draws.
    flatting pre has its merits: easier to play the hand + more set over sets
    3-betting pre is a must if players are super loose and don't fold much to 3-bets. If they fold much, then 3-bet worse hands and flat TT
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    03-04-2017 , 06:15 AM
    I dont play nl50 but I guess nl50 players have some bluff in this spot so we should call with top of our range
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    03-04-2017 , 08:17 AM
    -Playing NL50
    First of all i do like to see 3 bet here. you have strong hand from BB and you are facing multiway pot. you are turning TT to set value only most parts, because usually there will be over cards in board and you face against 2 ranges so more likely that some 1 bets in the pot. Also you are oop its more difficult to make value from hands because opponents can act last. Also there is 3,5$ dead money in the pot if they both decide to fold.

    9 is better card for BBs range than it is for mps range: mps range consists: A9s,K9s,T9s,98sand some % time Q9s,J9s . From: BB you might have 97,T9, 59s,69s+ but you get the point you got more 9x combos at your range. also hands like 55,22 would not be doing b/x/b line. Also feels weird that mp would't bet for protection at turn / value when he has 9x hand. Only- side of your hand is that you do block hands that do bluff at river like missed fd and strd.

    Hands that might bluff at river. T8(blocking), JTs, QTs. There are not lot of those. conclusion!= at river why not lead in because villain might check hands like 88,TT,A5s,A2s at river and call vs bet and you could bet TT+ straights, 9x hands as value also you could mix in some bluffs from bottom of your ranges like, 64s,T8s stuff like that. check/calling vs unknown opponents at nl 50 is most likely - ev or close to 0 at this hand. Bet/folding would accomplish more.

    GL, hope you got some ideas from here.
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    03-04-2017 , 12:49 PM
    Easy call IMO. Idk why you didnt 3! pre fish called from Bu anytime fish coldcalls you should be opening your 3! range. Fish play poorly in 3! pots and its a bigger pot where there mistakes are amplified. Assuming mp is a reg he will be betting fd,sd, two overs because bad regs over cbet. Why would he not be pumping it with tp any decent kicker IP ott? River is prolly safe. Most regs will stab on this river because you have underrepped your hand and capped your range at not having trips by checking river. Also given mdf when hero bets 2/3ish pot we need to defend over half of our range I think overpair is in top half of our range on the river.

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    03-04-2017 , 12:55 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Siimaleikkuri
    -Playing NL50
    First of all i do like to see 3 bet here. you have strong hand from BB and you are facing multiway pot. you are turning TT to set value only most parts, because usually there will be over cards in board and you face against 2 ranges so more likely that some 1 bets in the pot. Also you are oop its more difficult to make value from hands because opponents can act last. Also there is 3,5$ dead money in the pot if they both decide to fold.

    9 is better card for BBs range than it is for mps range: mps range consists: A9s,K9s,T9s,98sand some % time Q9s,J9s . From: BB you might have 97,T9, 59s,69s+ but you get the point you got more 9x combos at your range. also hands like 55,22 would not be doing b/x/b line. Also feels weird that mp would't bet for protection at turn / value when he has 9x hand. Only- side of your hand is that you do block hands that do bluff at river like missed fd and strd.

    Hands that might bluff at river. T8(blocking), JTs, QTs. There are not lot of those. conclusion!= at river why not lead in because villain might check hands like 88,TT,A5s,A2s at river and call vs bet and you could bet TT+ straights, 9x hands as value also you could mix in some bluffs from bottom of your ranges like, 64s,T8s stuff like that. check/calling vs unknown opponents at nl 50 is most likely - ev or close to 0 at this hand. Bet/folding would accomplish more.

    GL, hope you got some ideas from here.
    Really nice analysis, input much appreciated!
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    03-04-2017 , 01:35 PM
    I 3bet pre as said, also calling river, don't much 9x in his range.

    Also since u flatted, I donk this flop
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    04-29-2017 , 10:09 PM
    call is better ,checking on the turn and river shows u have nothing, so if he has nothing he will bluff here ,if he has something he should make a thin value bet

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    04-30-2017 , 12:35 AM
    3-bet pre.
    Bet river. As you said, you don't have JJ+. So wtf do you have for value here? There's a bunch of busted draws and if we're not betting TT for value, are we only betting 9x+? That doesn't seem very good to balance with bluffing our missed draws. OTOH, now that you've gotten here this way, if you fold TT, you're folding every single hand that isn't 9x+ that you'd likely bet otr anyways so you're folding every single hand. Just call and lol.
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    04-30-2017 , 03:04 AM
    Analysis above is great, I think after the turn goes x/x, I would like to see a bet/fold on the river. Leading out can get called by worse hands sometimes and when they reraise river, we know we're most likely beat. Additionally, we have more 9x in our range (being in the BB) that Villain should respect.
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