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Old 10-27-2009, 05:42 AM   #1
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Rumnchess's Tips of the Day

Rumnchess's Tips of the Day

I haven't played much HU cash lately (focusing on 9man SNGs, MTTs and live games), so I may not be completely up to date on the games, but I just thought I'd offer a couple quick tips I thought of in the shower today.


ONE: (And this applies to more than just HU cash, but really all forms of poker) Don't be afraid to not value bet thin when the situation does not call for it. Too often in this day of ego and brazen young video making professionals, we fall into this mentality where we fear that we must value bet, value bet, value bet. However there are some cases where it is simply correct to check a hand whose absolute value might be really strong. For example, if you are playing a very tight player, who raises only 50% of buttons and who does not like to make big calls, and you check-raise him on a QT6dd board with KQ, and you barrel the 4 turn, and then the 7 of diamonds hits the river, betting 2/3 pot on the end would be a pretty big mistake.

Most really tight and weak players are not cognizant of image, so it is unlikely that a guy who doesn't like to make big calls will call you here with AT or QJ. Maybe you can make him fold AQ, but more likely you will value town yourself when he has better, and simply fold out his KJ type of hands, plus all of the made hands that you beat. The correct play here is to either check/fold, or (if you don't like check/folding in big pots), just make a blocking bet of about 1/6 pot. This guy's not the type to bluffraise on the end, perhaps your 1/6 pot bet will get called by worse sometimes, and if you lose the hand, well at least you can sleep at night (and for much cheaper than calling whatever he would have bet).




TWO: Don't be afraid to fold hands like 64s, A7o, K8s, or T9o out of position. This used to be one of my biggest leaks - I would feel like I always had to play 64s (perhaps since I play it almost 100% of the time in live cash games, where I have put in the majority of my hours of poker). Because calling with it seemed scary to me, I very often three bet it, hoping either for a fold or to hit a miracle flop. The truth is, that for some skilled players, or even for some less skilled players playing weak opponents, or opponents who open too much, playing these hands can certainly show a profit*. But you are not missing out by just mucking these hands preflop, and they can be very tricky to play out of position.

* I realize this is a pretty gross run-on setence.




THREE: If you are a two or four tabling robot, try just playing one table for a couple of hours. You will be astounded at the difference. Since I have been playing mostly other games, if I have played a HUSNG or cash table lately, it has mostly just been one of eight or nine tables on the go. No wonder my HU results have been so poor lately! Playing one table may yield a slightly smaller hourly rate than playing two but it is much better for the growth of your poker mind and your meditative state. You will notice things about your own play, and about your opponent that you certainly would not have noticed before. You may pick up a key timing tell on your opponent, or realize that he always check raises on bigcard-lowcard-lowcard flops. By devoting 100% of your mental energy to this one game, you will also have a higher chance of truly owning his soul, and setting him on a downward destructive path of tilt and poor play. Unfortunately, in the dog-eats-dog world that is HU poker, we cannot always wish for the mental well being of our opponents, at least for the hour or two that we are playing them.




FOUR: Adjust, adjust, adjust. It's the most talked about concept in poker, and we all know that we should be doing it, but for some reason we often don't. The very worst poker players play an erratic style based on little to no logic or reason. The bad poker players play a patterened style that is filled with flaws and easy to exploit. The mediocre to good poker players play a well crafted style that is difficult to exploit. However they rarely adjust their style, because it is a mechanical formula that they have become familiar with, and are uncomfortable deviating from.

The greatest players, in HUSNGs, in cash games, in MTTs, in all forms of poker, are constantly adjusting. They are using the information they have gathered to change the way they play hands. Even if they love threebetting people more than life itself, they will not three bet junk hands against a guy who calls 100% of 3bets and floats a lot of flops. Even if they don't love to play bloated pots out of position, they will 3bet junk hands against a guy who folds to far too many 3bets. They will make big folds and big calls. But more importantly, they will not make big folds or big calls, when the situation does not call for it.

If you are constantly using the same raise sizings and betting patterns, you are not adjusting well enough. While many sizings are theoretically correct against almost any opponent (raising to 3x on the button in cash is pretty good vs almost anybody, though there are some opponents you should consider minraising vs, and you should DEFINITELY consider encorporating some limps into your game vs some opponents), if you have never made a 2x pot overbet bluff, or a 1/5 pot inducing bet, you are not paying enough attention to your opponent's tendencies.

While we tend to have some resistance towards making "silly" looking bets, if we have a reason for doing them, they can be optimal. We often assume that these sorts of bets will be come easily exploited, but that is typically giving our opponents too much credit. If a guy is going to exploit small value bets by bluff raising them, then try value betting small with hands that can easily call a raise.

By constantly adjusting, we begin the process of owning our opponent's soul. We will frustrate him and force him to make adjustments that are not based off logic or his assesment of our game, but rather based off an emotional reaction to feeling inferior.




If this stuff is too basic, or doesn't generate enough discussion, feel free to move or lock the thread. As I say, I haven't played too much HU lately, but I've been on a pretty nice heater live lately, and am feeling inspired to share my poker thoughts.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:01 AM   #2
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thanks for taking the time mate, it was a refreshing read. Makes me want to play poker, but given that I'm on 2 hours sleep I'm going to refrain from doing so
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:07 AM   #3
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I enjoyed this post very much.

I'm still a one-tabler with regards to husngs. And as they make up the vast majority of my meager volume I almost only one-table.

I agree with your other points, with # 4 encompassing the others: As in your example for # 1 obviously if we change the opponent to a guy that can be had for three streets of value when he holds bottom pair then we can still value bet the river. One concept I don't utilize much is the blocking bet. For some reason, no matter how little credit I can give an opponent, it just always feels too transparent...I agree that there are spots for it, but I've mostly been of the mind to take the c/c, some c/f line when maybe a blocking bet would be better...

So, clearly I'm rambling, moderately intoxicated, and should really be sleeping...so I'll stop now, but I really liked this post...so I guess I decided to muck it up?
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:08 AM   #4
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So basic, but at least you put it well.

And, yeah, lol at valuebetting thin all the time.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:22 AM   #5
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Yeah my one concern with making a thread for this was that it's quite basic, and not very example heavy, but there is a wide range of player skill level and experience on this forum. Additionally, I think even good winning players who play mid-high stakes can benefit form reinforcing the fundamentals from time to time. It's too easy to fall into a mechanical mindset, both at the poker table, and in terms of your approach to thinking about the game.
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Old 10-27-2009, 07:41 AM   #6
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Yeah my one concern with making a thread for this was that it's quite basic, and not very example heavy, but there is a wide range of player skill level and experience on this forum. Additionally, I think even good winning players who play mid-high stakes can benefit form reinforcing the fundamentals from time to time. It's too easy to fall into a mechanical mindset, both at the poker table, and in terms of your approach to thinking about the game.
U r right !!! never forget fundamentals, Tips 4 is a obviousness.
good job !
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:11 AM   #7
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Yeah my one concern with making a thread for this was that it's quite basic, and not very example heavy, but there is a wide range of player skill level and experience on this forum. Additionally, I think even good winning players who play mid-high stakes can benefit form reinforcing the fundamentals from time to time. It's too easy to fall into a mechanical mindset, both at the poker table, and in terms of your approach to thinking about the game.
For a sport example, why do you think major league players still hit off tees.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:20 AM   #8
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Very, very good post RnC.

I enjoyed it immensely, and am eagerly awaiting tips five, six, and seven!
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:21 AM   #9
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I thought all tips were excellent. Thank you.
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:23 AM   #10
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Very helpful post, thanks
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:41 AM   #11
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Good post. Particularly #1. I started as a HU player and then moved to 6max, and I was so used to vbetting thin because it made me "difficult to play against" that I was vbetting stupid thin in 6max spots where a vbet just wasn't profitable.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:58 PM   #12
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Yeah my one concern with making a thread for this was that it's quite basic, and not very example heavy, but there is a wide range of player skill level and experience on this forum. Additionally, I think even good winning players who play mid-high stakes can benefit form reinforcing the fundamentals from time to time. It's too easy to fall into a mechanical mindset, both at the poker table, and in terms of your approach to thinking about the game.
This thread is probably most applicable to this forum than most of your TOTM, and for once I don't mean that in a negative way.
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:38 PM   #13
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If you are constantly using the same raise sizings and betting patterns, you are not adjusting well enough. While many sizings are theoretically correct against almost any opponent (raising to 3x on the button in cash is pretty good vs almost anybody, though there are some opponents you should consider minraising vs, and you should DEFINITELY consider encorporating some limps into your game vs some opponents), if you have never made a 2x pot overbet bluff, or a 1/5 pot inducing bet, you are not paying enough attention to your opponent's tendencies.

While we tend to have some resistance towards making "silly" looking bets, if we have a reason for doing them, they can be optimal. We often assume that these sorts of bets will be come easily exploited, but that is typically giving our opponents too much credit. If a guy is going to exploit small value bets by bluff raising them, then try value betting small with hands that can easily call a raise.

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I think I'm going to start trying some things like this. It's an interesting thought.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:14 PM   #14
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Don't be afraid to not value bet thin when the situation does not call for it.
Ah, the 'ole triple negative.

All points are right on - paying more attention, thinking and adjusting.

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Old 10-27-2009, 02:20 PM   #15
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Why do I always beat you then? (hu4rollz)
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:27 PM   #16
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I'm looking to get into heads up NL. I've played some .1/.2 and even some .25/.50, but i've never really sat down to learn the game. This was a very good post to start off with, thanks a lot!
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:48 PM   #17
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lol. nothing to do in amsterdam today?
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:21 PM   #18
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lol. nothing to do in amsterdam today?
Actually, I'd like to see a TotM with Rum really baked.

The effects of pot on Rum's theory thoughts would be really entertaining I think.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:24 PM   #19
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nice post sir.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:34 PM   #20
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Actually, I'd like to see a TotM with Rum really baked.
Are you forgetting this? Rumnchess August TotM
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:35 PM   #21
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Why do I always beat you then? (hu4rollz)
Play me higher
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:43 PM   #22
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Yeah good concise post. No reinventing the wheel on number 4. but its a good way of thinking about it. People (me included ldo) make way too many default plays that do not take opp into mind.
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Old 10-27-2009, 05:19 PM   #23
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I feel like most of these posts begin with "So i was in the shower..."
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Old 10-27-2009, 05:19 PM   #24
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That had to have been a drug a little more severe than pot.
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This thread is probably most applicable to this forum than most of your TOTM, and for once I don't mean that in a negative way.
Are you really scared that the title changed from "tip of the month" to "tip of the day?"
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