Brought you this hand because not only the river spot is quite interesting, but it's a good hand to analyze about how we should be fighting small flop cbets with a high frequency.

Villain is a std reg on the stationy side, the question is: what we should be raising OTF, and most importantly, how are we playing the turn and the river.

I think that raising the flop with Qx, 65dd, some bdfd and gutshots is fine(+ sets, 2-pairs ofc). When villain cbets with 33% sizing and 100% of the time we should be raising way more, so we need more hands to valuebet, so we need to take some Qx to do that.

Now OTT I'm testing with a small continuation bet sizing with my entire range in those spots when the board doesn't change much(I would check on an A or K, since villain has all AK, that's a bad card for our range).

Is it a good idea to make that sizing with our entire range there on a blank? What do we do vs a raise?

I think that check-raising the flop and checking some OTT and betting 75% with the other part of the flop range is really bad, since Qx won't get value with that line and will get just valueowned.

So as played, is it ok to valuebet this river? Are we folding vs a villain that has only 34% river AFq? What if we get a 2s river, should we valuebet for 75%?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.46 BB
SB: 62.8 BB
Hero (BB): 111.62 BB
UTG: 119.56 BB
MP: 86.02 BB
CO: 103.94 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T

UTG raises to 2.24 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.24 BB

Flop: (4.98 BB, 2 players) Q 6 J
Hero checks, UTG bets 1.56 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, UTG calls 4.44 BB

Turn: (16.98 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 5.34 BB, UTG calls 5.34 BB

River: (27.66 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 19.72 BB, UTG raises to 105.98 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 63.74 BB

Seems like an odd choice to bet the turn it doesn't change anything and if V had a draw they are calling (it doesn't change board but its not really accomplishing anything and if a check-raise happens guess you are calling?) Like the raise on the F cause your logic makes sense (I'm a complete beginner when looking at GTO stuff) but the wet board helps allot. River is just really weird guess they have an overpair here? Doubt they would bluff a FD here after you showing strength (again not sure)

dont think QT is a raise on the flop vs UTG cbet

+1 it would be a x/r against CO.BTN SB. Probably against an MP... but i dont think utg has enough wide range to x/r +ev

I do like the C/R, the villain might remain in the pot with hands like AK because he has 2 overs and position and the odds are ok, and all straight draws/flush draws will remain on the pot, I like the turn bet because it shows too much weakness to c/r then c the next street, plus if villain called with draws there is value to be taken, river its a c/c imo, all draws failed so check calling to induce a bluff is alot better, plus you will lose alot less when your opponent has AA/KK/JJ, which seemed the case.

flop c/r is just bad imo

you could just fold pre, QTo vs a UTG raising range is pretty meh

as played, just flat the flop, raising is pure fps

Rapid, I have no idea what you're doing or thinking. I realize you wrote a bunch about those things. I think they're just bad thoughts/ideas but as much as anyone tells you, you won't care. Just as a for instance:

Sometimes it's best to "fight" back by calling because that's what our hand dictates. Our range is also < UTG's range here.

I don’t mind it although I think any pairing card on the turn requires a wide checking range instead of a wide betting range on say a 1/3 pot strategy.

I wouldn’t use QT either though, it’s a good calldown hand as you have some backdoor equity - maybe use a weaker Q like Q8s or a stronger one like QK/QA- this one feels too much in the middle for me.

Why would u not raise flop? If villain is betting all of range want to be raising allot because most of the time they have garbage and we need more value in the raising range so we can bluff more

I may be missing something really obvious but calling is treating villain like a normal player who does not bet everything


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1. You're OOP
2. You're isolating yourself against better hands and good draws.
3. You're bloating the pot with a weak hand.
4. Why are we discouraging our opponent from betting everything? Folding out his bluffs is not a good thing.
5. You're value owning yourself when he has a made hand.
6. Our range doesn't have many strong hands here.
7. We open ourselves up to be 3-bet off the best hand because his range > our range here.

There's nothing good that comes from raising the flop aside from folding out a hand like A5s because it has 3 outs.

Imagine you c/r this flop, turn is 7s, you bet, river's 2s, what do you do? Rapid probably has a value bet here because people might think he's ******ed but against the typical micro player, what worse are you getting called by? You're just going to always c/f after bloating this pot otf and draws miss?

Good raising hands here (at least imo and perhaps I'm wrong) would be hands that we don't care to get 3-bet off of that have decent playability on future streets. Those hands include 4c5c, 67s, 7d8d, 5d7d. There's 6 good bluff combos to the 9 slam dunk value combos. That also neglects the other actual draws that we can c/r and shove here like 9cTc, AcTc, etc.. We can make calls with some mediocre hands, some good draws, some strong hands, and sometimes slow play great hands.