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UTGvsBTN Standard Line? UTGvsBTN Standard Line?

06-11-2020 , 10:41 PM
Maybe XR bigger OTF and overbet ship turn?

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NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
BTN ($51.27) [VPIP: 31.6% | PFR: 19.5% | AGG: 28.7% | Flop Agg: 31.1% | Turn Agg: 27.6% | River Agg: 25% | 3-Bet: 7.7% | 4-Bet: 25% | Cold Call: 28.2% | Hands: 262]
SB ($83.47) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 11.6% | AGG: 20.8% | Hands: 231]
BB ($50.50) [VPIP: 22.6% | PFR: 18.5% | AGG: 29.8% | Hands: 4292]
HERO ($64.86) [VPIP: 24.7% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 34.3% | Flop Agg: 40.2% | Turn Agg: 27.4% | River Agg: 31.2% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | 4-Bet: 16.3% | Hands: 256556]
HJ ($60) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 15.6% | AGG: 28.1% | Hands: 98]
CO ($97.25) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 14.6% | AGG: 42.1% | Hands: 83]

Dealt to Hero: T T

HERO Raises To $1.12, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $1.12, SB Folds, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.77 effective]
Flop ($2.99): 5 2 9
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $2.24 (Rem. Stack: $47.91), HERO Raises To $7.84 (Rem. Stack: $55.90), BTN Calls $5.60 (Rem. Stack: $42.31)

Turn ($18.67): 5 2 9 4
HERO Bets $14 (Rem. Stack: $41.90), BTN Calls $14 (Rem. Stack: $28.31)

River ($46.67): 5 2 9 4 3
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $28.31 (allin), HERO Folds
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06-11-2020 , 10:55 PM
I feel most people are c-betting here with TT, so I don't know if your line is standard.

I do like the check/raise though.
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06-11-2020 , 10:56 PM
seems fine to me. C/r sizing otf does kind of put you in a weird spot ott, but what sizing can you choose that doesnt do that, as youll be massaging stacks in or overbet jamming turn regardless.
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06-11-2020 , 11:01 PM
Just noticed BTN's large sizing on the flop.

What do we make of that?
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06-11-2020 , 11:19 PM
Why about a double check raise on this turn? I think it’d be kinda sexy. I never use that play so idk how to balance it but kinda makes since to me with this hand and runout.
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06-12-2020 , 03:58 AM
looks great my man
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06-12-2020 , 05:41 AM
I like the line with QQ+ and mby JJ with a club
with TT, esp w/o the club it feels like too much money going in
I don't think it's bad, just think passive line turns out higher ev, weaker regs will flat some JJ otb vs ep opens
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06-12-2020 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by IMaWIZARD
looks great my man
Thoughts on XR bigger OTF and jamming turn?
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06-12-2020 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
I like the line with QQ+ and mby JJ with a club
with TT, esp w/o the club it feels like too much money going in
I don't think it's bad, just think passive line turns out higher ev, weaker regs will flat some JJ otb vs ep opens
Wouldn't we rather x/c more often than XR with QQ+ since they need less protection? Then we can just XR our sets/TT/JJ.
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06-12-2020 , 12:20 PM
that's not how solver does x/r
you'l see the same thing with fds
more likely to fast play middle to high end, slow play low end, slow play top end that usually blocks something
like AA with a club here, blocks his Ac bluffs
seems intuitive to me, why put more money in with weaker hands than stronger
oh and you need some decent hands to x/c turns and/or rivers otherwise the whole x a lot plan doesn't work anymore and you're better betting off small and often
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06-12-2020 , 01:15 PM
forgot to mention you lose more often vs his calling range when you x/r the weaker pairs
so it circles around to putting money in not as good
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06-12-2020 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
that's not how solver does x/r
you'l see the same thing with fds
more likely to fast play middle to high end, slow play low end, slow play top end that usually blocks something
like AA with a club here, blocks his Ac bluffs
seems intuitive to me, why put more money in with weaker hands than stronger
oh and you need some decent hands to x/c turns and/or rivers otherwise the whole x a lot plan doesn't work anymore and you're better betting off small and often
I ran a solve and it looks like overpairs are almost never XR here. It XR's like 76s/65s/sets and Ace high FDs.

Did you get similar?
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06-12-2020 , 04:05 PM
I'm guessing it will if you give BTN a more humanly wide range
and even more if you lock v to stab some more hands than the solver wants to so you're prob just fine x/r some overpairs

in my analysis of the herp derp 50nl reg stars pool, BTN is calling 8.5% and 3b 7% vs UTG
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06-12-2020 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
I'm guessing it will if you give BTN a more humanly wide range
and even more if you lock v to stab some more hands than the solver wants to so you're prob just fine x/r some overpairs

in my analysis of the herp derp 50nl reg stars pool, BTN is calling 8.5% and 3b 7% vs UTG
okay cool thx - looks like I was thinking about this spot not completely correctly.
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