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03-10-2018 , 03:39 PM

paddy01

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HI Guys feed back welcome on this please

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 8.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 84)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
UTG: 91.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
CO: 114.8 BB (VPIP: 13.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.81, Hands: 221)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BB raises to 16 BB, fold, Hero raises to 45 BB, BB calls 29 BB

Flop: (92 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero bets 55 BB and is all-in, BB calls 55 BB and is all-in

Turn: (202 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (202 BB, 2 players) 3

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03-10-2018 , 05:26 PM

.isolated

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HI Guys feed back welcome on this please

This wouldn't be a thread if you'd won the hand.

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03-10-2018 , 05:31 PM

dynamite2006

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Originally Posted by .isolated

This wouldn't be a thread if you'd won the hand.

Agree. This is as standard as they come.

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03-10-2018 , 08:37 PM

Scott7x

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4 bet sizing too big. Other than that standard.

Guessing V had JJ or AA/KK and you got in as a dog, but don’t be results oriented, there is no other way to play it.

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03-10-2018 , 08:54 PM

paddy01

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Originally Posted by Scott7x

4 bet sizing too big. Other than that standard.

Guessing V had JJ or AA/KK and you got in as a dog, but don’t be results oriented, there is no other way to play it.

Thanks, what sort of size you making it?

Ha no, he had 22

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03-10-2018 , 09:04 PM

whitemares

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I wouldn’t go bigger than 40bb pre. You can call the 4bet also but it’s fine, nice hand

Last edited by whitemares; 03-10-2018 at 09:33 PM.

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03-10-2018 , 09:43 PM

Scott7x

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Lol at 22. Take a note and exploit the hell out of him in the future

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03-10-2018 , 10:25 PM

Flpmethntsdlr

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The 5b size is so weird 100BB effective, I'd rather just flat or shove. Are we really folding any flop putting 45% in pre?

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03-11-2018 , 07:04 AM

ToiletBowler

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Fold to the cold 4bet without history.

Only the flush and straight draws are your clean outs and you won’t get to realise that equity in theory and in practice.

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03-11-2018 , 08:00 AM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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Originally Posted by ToiletBowler

Fold to the cold 4bet without history.

To a minclick?

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03-11-2018 , 08:06 AM

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dynamite2006

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Originally Posted by ToiletBowler

Fold to the cold 4bet without history.

Only the flush and straight draws are your clean outs and you won’t get to realise that equity in theory and in practice.

You're folding AKs to a minraise cold 4bet? We only need like 20% equity to call here. Even out of position any hand with any kind of playability is a call. A hand as strong as AKs can't be folded here.

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03-11-2018 , 08:54 AM

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Yeah, never folding to that size. Don't typically raise either. Money's going in on that flop so whatever. Lol at villain. Just take a second to think about your own range here. I'm going to guess it absolutely smashes villain's holding.

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03-11-2018 , 09:02 AM

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CrazyAndy27s

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Can never go too wrong with shoving AKs so I’d prefer that. Or flat as well that’s fine.

Just don’t click 5b half your stack, it’s theoretical suicide.

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03-11-2018 , 11:38 AM

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What range does villain need to have for you to fold AKs to a cold min 4bet?

What range do you think villain has?

This is a defend in theory but not vs pop

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03-11-2018 , 11:46 AM

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dynamite2006

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Originally Posted by ToiletBowler

What range does villain need to have for you to fold AKs to a cold min 4bet?

What range do you think villain has?

This is a defend in theory but not vs pop

I would need to know for certain that he is only playing AA that way.

He minclicked a MP open and SB 3bet. It's fair to say he isn't the best poker player out there. I'm not going to speculate on his range but it isn't only AA.

I agree that against the population at 5NL a BB cold 4bet is almost always super strong but you can't ignore pot odds. I would probably be calling my whole range here because it's going to be really hard for any hand I am 3betting a MP open to not realize 20% equity against a likely fish even OOP.

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03-11-2018 , 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ToiletBowler

What range does villain need to have for you to fold AKs to a cold min 4bet?

What range do you think villain has?

This is a defend in theory but not vs pop

It's 7bb.

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03-11-2018 , 08:12 PM

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.isolated

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It's 3.5:1!

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What range does villain need to have for you to fold AKs to a cold min 4bet?

Considering the odds we're getting, he has to have specifically AA.

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03-12-2018 , 02:46 AM

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WorldzMine

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The weird 5 bet should have been a shove. You could also flat the 4bet instead which I prefer when the AK is suited. All the money is always going in on that flop with your hand whatever the action is. And lol at the 22.

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03-12-2018 , 03:14 AM

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It's a call even vs KK+/AK where you can only realise your flush and straight equity?

The 10% of the time you flop a flush draw you'll have to pay bad odds to see a turn, and you'll never cooler anyone.
The 10% you flop a straight draw you're drawing to split or get thin value from AA/KK.

The few times you flop a pair you'll split or be crushed.

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

It's 7bb.

And I will wager we have less than 2bb of EV across all flops. Most of this EV will come from flopping the flush draw.

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Originally Posted by dynamite2006

He minclicked a MP open and SB 3bet. It's fair to say he isn't the best poker player out there. I'm not going to speculate on his range but it isn't only AA.

It's a mistake to make assumptions about ranges across all situations based on one sizing they used.

Of course we are calling pocket pairs here to setmine though yes.

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03-12-2018 , 08:48 AM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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What about the equity vs the other randomness Vs sometimes show up with or are you presuming the always have it?

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03-12-2018 , 09:16 AM

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Ojune

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always assume they have it, microstakes players motto

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03-12-2018 , 10:19 AM

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CrazyAndy27s

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AKs fares better against a narrow range than KK. If you fold AKs here, you’re only continuing AA which I don’t think is the best in this situation.

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03-12-2018 , 11:03 AM

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JamesBJames

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I usually just shove PF here but think it's hard to pick too bad of an option (edit: don't fold though wow). Smaller 4-bet if we're not shoving though.

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03-12-2018 , 11:06 AM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr

What about the equity vs the other randomness Vs sometimes show up with or are you presuming the always have it?

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Originally Posted by Ojune

always assume they have it, microstakes players motto

On the other hand, you can never eliminate the spew factor.

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