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03-11-2018 , 12:59 AM
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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
UTG ($5.68)
HJ ($4.46)
CO ($7.95)
HERO ($7.27)
SB ($4.38)
BB ($8.75)

Dealt to Hero A J

UTG Calls $0.05 (Rem. Stack: 5.63), HJ Raises To $0.3 (Rem. Stack: 4.16), CO Folds, HERO Calls $0.3 (Rem. Stack: 6.97), SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Folds

Flop ($0.72) J 9 6
HJ Bets $0.4 (Rem. Stack: 3.76), HERO Calls $0.4 (Rem. Stack: 6.57)

Turn ($1.52) J 9 6 7
HJ Bets $1 (Rem. Stack: 2.76), HERO Calls $1 (Rem. Stack: 5.57)

River ($3.52) J 9 6 7 7
HJ Bets $2.76 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), HERO Folds

Ignition Zone, so no info/reads. Not too sure about this river fold. I block aces and don't block spades, so I think it's kinda close. The population is underbluffed and more passive than aggro. V also uses a pretty large sizing pre which I read as strength.
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03-11-2018 , 01:10 AM
You can fold pre.
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03-11-2018 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
You can fold pre.
That feels nitty, although I think all 3 options are in play here. If you do 3bet pre you would need to remember it was a bluff and not go crazy with this type of flop/run out.

As played I think I call down but every street I would call I would feel worse and worse about the hand being good.

I do see folding pre avoiding this situation, but it's rare. I used to fold this hand all the time in this situation starting out. So that's probably the "ABC" line, but am much more confident calling lighter the last couple of years. I'm rambling I guess. I just think this is just a case where you could be ****ed calling this pre, but like I said I think a situation like this is relatively rare.
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03-11-2018 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
You can fold pre.
Im not interested in folding a hand this strong pre against a guy who looks like he might be a fish given stack and bet sizing. I don't think I need to turn this hand into a bluff either, unless someone has a compelling reason to do so.
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03-11-2018 , 11:02 AM
I don’t usually flat AJo, think it plays better as a 3bet.

As played I’m calling. You beat a good chunk of his value range imo, and there are tons of possible bluffs in his range.
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03-11-2018 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
Im not interested in folding a hand this strong pre against a guy who looks like he might be a fish given stack and bet sizing. I don't think I need to turn this hand into a bluff either, unless someone has a compelling reason to do so.
Calling this against a normal HJ open isn't great, but especially against a 6x iso with the population reads that you have. Villain being a fish doesn't matter as much when they have a really tight range, even when you have position.

I definitely don't see a reason to bluff though.
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03-11-2018 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
V also uses a pretty large sizing pre which I read as strength.
AJo isn't that strong. I wouldn't call the 6BB iso from MP unless you think having 89BB stack is a strong indicator of being loose fish.
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03-11-2018 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
Im not interested in folding a hand this strong pre against a guy who looks like he might be a fish given stack and bet sizing. I don't think I need to turn this hand into a bluff either, unless someone has a compelling reason to do so.
In that case, you're at the top of your range otr and it's a pretty good runout for tptk. Also, although pre isn't a standard size, his line post looks like a great set up for a river jam. Presuming he may have some bluffs, if you fold AJ what better hand do you have?

Last edited by Flpmethntsdlr; 03-11-2018 at 06:36 PM.
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03-11-2018 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
In that case, you're at the top of your range otr and it's a pretty good runout for tptk. Also, although pre isn't a standard size, his line post looks like a great set up for a river jam. Presuming he may have some bluffs, if you fold AJ what better hand do you have?
You're not wrong. We have 87 and AJ. The question is, does the general population have enough bluffs with the iso then bet bet shove line to make calling with tptk profitable. I cant be exploited on ignition if i fold here, just curious if this is a good spot for that.
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03-11-2018 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
I cant be exploited on ignition if i fold here
#fakenews
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03-11-2018 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
#fakenews
Did he take a note?
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03-11-2018 , 10:20 PM
I defer to my first comment and let it be a spot to fold pre. If I think he's spewy, I'm never folding river if I'm calling turn.
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03-12-2018 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
Did he take a note?
He doesn't need to know your strategy to exploit you. As soon as you play exploitable, you'll be exploited by some people.
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03-12-2018 , 09:36 AM
@Ojune @.isolated All I mean is that he can't know if he is up against one of the guys overfolding this river. So if he adjusts to the guy overfolding, he gets murdered by the rest of the population that isn't. Its a rabbit hole that I didn't mean to go down. I was trying to find out if this is a spot where we can justify overfolding.
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03-12-2018 , 09:47 AM
I think you're overestimating how often people call here
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03-12-2018 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
I think you're overestimating how often people call here
How is that relevant? My question is whether or not this line at 5NL is bluffed often enough to make calling here good or if the general fish population is going to be weighted towards value >TPTK making this a good exploitative fold. I'm just trying to get input from other players who have been in this spot at these stakes and see bluffs frequently enough to make this a call.
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03-12-2018 , 06:03 PM
It's not even a proper question. You have to define what is "this spot" and the stakes don't define the population tendencies. You're never gonna get an answer to your question, not that it matters. It wouldn't help your game in the slightest.
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