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11-22-2017 , 09:00 AM
Hi, villain is standard reg and I dont know what with the hand. Was the cbet on the flop correct? what size do you use with you range? standard half of pot? thanks

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $19.61 (78.4 bb)
BB: $20.53 (82.1 bb)
UTG: $22.50 (90 bb)
MP: $43.47 (173.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $25.25 (101 bb)
BTN: $27.27 (109.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T 9
UTG raises to $0.62, MP folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.63

Flop: ($4.85) 7 9 J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.36, UTG calls $2.36

Turn: ($9.57) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ??
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11-22-2017 , 09:06 AM
Yo, definitely wouldn't be 3b pre vs UTG, this is a great hand to flat. AP that's a pretty good flop for his range, and you have a decent draw and a hand with some SDV, although you're probably not ahead. I'd personally x flop and AP would x turn too. If you don't hit on the river I'd fold to a bet but might turn the hand into a bluff, especially if the diamond comes in, not sure
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11-22-2017 , 10:25 AM
Agree with above id be flatting this ip and 3betting it oop .As played i think you just got to check back turn.
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11-22-2017 , 01:04 PM
Think this is a much better 3b pre than a flat, personally. Would prefer to flat suited broadwayier hands.

Also, to save @.isolated a job
Spoiler:
check flop
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11-22-2017 , 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikk
Also, to save @.isolated a job
Spoiler:
check flop
Spoiler:
This is the perfect spot for it too
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11-23-2017 , 03:10 AM
ok check looks like the best option but what protection?
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11-23-2017 , 05:46 AM
I'd call this pf if the button is passive, otherwise 3bet is fine. Check flop now.
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11-23-2017 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TK1991
ok check looks like the best option but what protection?
What do you need protection against?

What do you think v is calling your 3 bet with OOP?

How does v's 3bet calling range hit that flop?
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11-23-2017 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Risso
What do you need protection against?
overcards, villain has A-Ko, A-Qs+

Quote:
Originally Posted by Risso
What do you think v is calling your 3 bet with OOP?
6-6+, A-Js+, A-Ko, maybe someone sc

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Originally Posted by Risso
How does v's 3bet calling range hit that flop?
well, it means that I don't need protection? explain please the question. Thanks
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11-23-2017 , 07:17 AM
You don't have enough value in your hand plus you don't have enough reasons to protect to make flop bet.
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11-23-2017 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TK1991
overcards, villain has A-Ko, A-Qs+


6-6+, A-Js+, A-Ko, maybe someone sc


well, it means that I don't need protection? explain please the question. Thanks
What's your equity vs the 2 overcard combos? And do you really need 'protection' against that?

What happens when you cbet into this board with v's range of: 6-6+, A-Js+, A-Ko, maybe someone sc?
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11-23-2017 , 08:14 AM
What's your equity vs the 2 overcard combos? And do you really need 'protection' against that?
my equity? did you mean fold equity?

What happens when you cbet into this board with v's range of: 6-6+, A-Js+, A-Ko, maybe someone sc?
I don't know. Tell me it, please
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11-23-2017 , 08:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TK1991
What's your equity vs the 2 overcard combos? And do you really need 'protection' against that?
my equity? did you mean fold equity?

What happens when you cbet into this board with v's range of: 6-6+, A-Js+, A-Ko, maybe someone sc?
I don't know. Tell me it, please

Say that we know that V has a hand like AhKh. You have the hand that you have and the board is what it is. What do you think the % is that V is going to win the hand?

Put yourself in v's shoes, you're oop with that range and is faced with a cbet on that flop... What do you do with that range of 6-6+, A-Js+, A-Ko, maybe someone sc? How would you play a hand like 66 for example?
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11-23-2017 , 08:53 AM
Say that we know that V has a hand like AhKh. You have the hand that you have and the board is what it is. What do you think the % is that V is going to win the hand?

for example: If villain has A-K = it is 6 outs and I check flop and turn 6x2x2 = villain wins around 25%, is it not too much?

Put yourself in v's shoes, you're oop with that range and is faced with a cbet on that flop... What do you do with that range of 6-6+, A-Js+, A-Ko, maybe someone sc? How would you play a hand like 66 for example?

x/f explain it, please
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11-23-2017 , 09:56 PM
This is definitely a call preflop for me. If I'm going to 3bet SCs it's going to be smaller ones 76s, 65s, maybe 54s.

As played, this flop hits his range pretty good. For me, you're stuck on this betting for protection thing. You have a hand with some showdown value but it's not great. You also have position. Use your position. Check this back and evaluate on the turn. If he checks the turn then you can probably go ahead and bet it.

If you are betting everytime you have a pair for protection then it becomes very easy for your opponent to steal pots from you. They can float you and put you in awkward spots when you don't know what to do with middle or bottom pair on the turn or they can bet everytime you check because you will never have anything.
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11-24-2017 , 03:26 AM
@Risso, is the answer to the above that this flop hits the Villains range pretty well & that he'll be calling with a lot of his hands. So we should check back as we have goodish showdown value as it is & are unlikely to push him off many hands that beat us.
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11-24-2017 , 04:06 AM
@hb8847

Think @dynamite2006 explains it well.

Also, if we cbet on that flop we're allowing v t play 'perfect' i.e v will fold trash and continue with hands that beats us..
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11-24-2017 , 01:25 PM
misread hand
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11-24-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Risso
Think @dynamite2006 explains it well.

Also, if we cbet on that flop we're allowing v t play 'perfect' i.e v will fold trash and continue with hands that beats us..
All of that is true. However, there are a couple of pros for c-betting but I don't think they outweigh the cons. Of course this makes you "exploitable" if you decide to always bet here but do people really exploit you here considering how infrequently this spot will come up, especially in these positions? *shrug*

As Rikk was kind enough to post for me, I'd check flop
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