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Old 11-23-2008, 01:16 PM   #576
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you really aren't raising the flop with a set there? You know you are only losing to a flush and you are beating a ton of hands that will continue.
If the opp is good vs his raising AI on flop range w 2 buyins you probably going to have 40% equity at most.
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Old 11-23-2008, 02:15 PM   #577
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If the opp is good vs his raising AI on flop range w 2 buyins you probably going to have 40% equity at most.
i was gonna go pokerstove some stuff to disprove this, but instead I'm just gonna say that this isn't true.

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AhAx is 35% against you.
AhQd is 31%
AA no heart is not doing well at all.

If we are against a flush, we have 35% but he has plenty of other hands where we are way ahead. Raise the flop all day.
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Old 11-23-2008, 02:52 PM   #578
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i'd talk too but my win rate isnt high enough
Since I highly doubt 16ptbb/100h is his lifetime winrate, I think you are free to choose a sample for which this is true. Search your db and you will find one if you are a winning player.
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Old 11-23-2008, 02:57 PM   #579
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i wish discuss some hands w/ someone, but my win rate is just 7ptbb, so probably we can't talk...

sorry Mr. Huge win rate.


you should be ashamed of yourself. you arent even good enough to post here with the rest of us. someone please alert a mod and get this scrub banned.
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Old 11-23-2008, 06:14 PM   #580
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you should be ashamed of yourself. you arent even good enough to post here with the rest of us. someone please alert a mod and get this scrub banned.
let's not be too elitist here~
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Old 11-23-2008, 08:59 PM   #581
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nah he's right. my winrate > urubu thus, I > urubu

(I think we agree winrate is not $/hr )
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:09 PM   #582
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Since I highly doubt 16ptbb/100h is his lifetime winrate, I think you are free to choose a sample for which this is true. Search your db and you will find one if you are a winning player.
If we are talking about lifetime sample then yeah my win rate is 11ptbb/100 but if we are talking after i had couple "aha" moments and started not to lose $$$ in non-sd winnings like I am used to - its 16PTbb/100

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Old 11-23-2008, 09:13 PM   #583
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If we are talking about lifetime sample then yeah my win rate is 11ptbb/100 but if we are talking after i had couple "aha" moments and started not to lose $$$ in non-sd winnins like I am used to - its 16PTbb/100
uh, this is PTBB/100 or bb/100?

cuz i'm at like 16bb/100 at 3/6+ lifetime and I used to think it was PTBB. PT2 uses bb, not PTBB's fwiw despite the misnomer (at least i think this is true).
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:33 PM   #584
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i was gonna go pokerstove some stuff to disprove this, but instead I'm just gonna say that this isn't true.

basically:
AhAx is 35% against you.
AhQd is 31%
AA no heart is not doing well at all.

If we are against a flush, we have 35% but he has plenty of other hands where we are way ahead. Raise the flop all day.
you are discounting higher sets + how many combinations of AhQx has. And only hands that we are ahead of is AhQx and AhAx and KhKx so like I said at best you are hoping is 40% equity in this spot for villian to go all in for nearly 2 buy ins. Unless it's crazy dynamic between them it's a fold for 2 buyins. If the villian does it lighter then given my range of his possible holding in this spot it will be plenty of spots to stack him later with better equity then 40%.
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:39 PM   #585
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you are discounting higher sets + how many combinations of AhQx has. And only hands that we are ahead of is AhQx and AhAx and KhKx so like I said at best you are hoping is 40% equity in this spot for villian to go all in for nearly 2 buy ins. Unless it's crazy dynamic between them it's a fold for 2 buyins. If the villian does it lighter then given my range of his possible holding in this spot it will be plenty of spots to stack him later with better equity then 40%.
he doesnt HAVE to 3bet the flop.

No one is folding Qx on this flop ever. You are getting at least 2 streets of value from that. If you c/c, there are way too many turn cards that can kill action and many hands will just check back the turn that otherwise will call you down.

Once he 3bets the flop, you can't fold and you can't call bc hes never bluffing and you aren't deep enough and smoothcalling is just as scary as shoving the rest in. So just get it in and deal with the results.

If you aren't c/r this flop, i would LOVE to hear your line...
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:55 PM   #586
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RichGambler, we are 60% vs his range that he would get it in with on the flop, but its way higher than that with hands he would call flop raise with this deep, including all AhX hands, Kh+pair, any Qx, etc.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:52 AM   #587
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Winrate is stupid because we are always evolving and learning and thus it is impossible to attach yourself to a number and say "i am an x bb/100 player". As soon as you plug a leak or have an aha moment you improve your game and become a better player or possibly introduce new leaks and things you need to fix. Trust me i obsessed over winrate for a long time before realizing how retarded it was
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:56 AM   #588
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Old 11-24-2008, 08:37 AM   #589
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If we are talking about lifetime sample then yeah my win rate is 11ptbb/100 but if we are talking after i had couple "aha" moments and started not to lose $$$ in non-sd winnings like I am used to - its 16PTbb/100
you are aware of the fact that 11ptbb=22bb? because 11ptbb/100 is an absolutely sick winrate, especially if that includes every hand since hand 1, when i didn't even know that a straight would beat a flush .

also your theoretical winrate (i.e. your winrate when you would play a huge sample under static conditions) depends on a lot of factors (e.g. your skill, your opponent's skill, tilt, game selection by you, skill of total player pool, etc) and that it takes a huge sample to make sure that any given 1000 hand session doesnt affect this number at all. 100k hands is certainly not close.

But while you have played 100k more hands, you and your environment have changed and your theoretical winrate (under the new conditions) most likely also. (of course it might be the same, but that is more a dynamic coincidence than a static effect.)
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:39 PM   #590
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when i didn't even know that a straight would beat a flush
Are you sure you know how to play poker?
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:05 PM   #591
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:14 PM   #592
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:18 PM   #593
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:49 PM   #594
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:39 PM   #595
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And the moral of the story is; Taylor is lurking everywhere.

(I'm pretty sure that's a photoshop for someone better at that than me).

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Old 11-25-2008, 12:42 AM   #597
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so some small stakes moron was table blocking me, so I got on 3 tables of 25/50. 10 minutes later a reg sits in and tells me I am on more than 2 tables and that each reg should only be allowed to sit at two tables at each limit.

why can't we do this for all stakes HU? Who's up for table blocking regs who do not comply? ...imo
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:57 AM   #598
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so some small stakes moron was table blocking me, so I got on 3 tables of 25/50. 10 minutes later a reg sits in and tells me I am on more than 2 tables and that each reg should only be allowed to sit at two tables at each limit.

why can't we do this for all stakes HU? Who's up for table blocking regs who do not comply? ...imo
I did this to someone at 100nl yesterday and they got pretty mad and I kept joining their new tables for a few minutes cause I was getting 0 action anywhere (within reason) and they were sitting on like 5 tables at 100nl. Once i got action I stopped though.
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Old 11-25-2008, 01:17 AM   #599
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