omfg, this is ****ing disgusting. Trying to milk the hu community for every last dime before shutting games down completely.

Also, nobody mentioned this, but AGAIN the give 6 ****ing days notice about a change that's gonna impact every single reg a lot.


Should actually be less, when they briefly increased the cap to 1$ the rake increased by smth like 3bb/100, so it shouldnt be much different. Still, with all the recent changes, ****ing disgusting. These days, beating the already overraked pool for 3bb/100 is pretty solid, now these guys will become losers. Also, nl100 is gonna get hit way harder imo.

Yeah, I left out an important term that turns out to be the large majority of hands above old cap. When I add that term I get 3.32bb/100 for $1 cap. So total should be (5/4.5)11-11+3.32/2 = 2.88bb/100 increase.

Did a quick analysis for 200nl - https://gyazo.com/c303eec677760f00adb3ce8fe9043d59

Rake should increase from 5.8bb/100 to around 10.6bb/100. I've provided a 'cut to earn' table based on 30% rakeback as well as pre-rb numbers.

Saying this as nice as I can put it, haven't you been playing 50nl for like the past 3 years? If anyone has been effected in the worst ways I would imagine it would be someone like yourself, is this not you essentially condemned to never moving up ever?

let me just plant this tombstone here real quickly and leave, was fun playing

RIP HU

Yeah but never put in an hour of work on it or any volume till begging of 2014, have taken about 6 months off total so more like 2 years. Had a fairly bad study system for first year etc. All that is to say my system now is about 100x better than it was when I started.

As far as moving up, looks like theres nothing to move up to really. I was just talking about NL50. 3bb/100 is a big hit but not the end of the world. 5bb is close to the end of the world for just about everyone who plays it.

They just implemtend KOTH on the pokerstars.fr. seems like on every stars platform they are doing the same. first koth, then remove the tables altogether. Game over.kthxbye

its not KOTH, they are removing I think

Source? Isnt it just a software lag?

Edit:

on .eu its the same with 6m tables atm

never mind it was just a bug, hu tables back on france. but the question is how long? i bet soon they will remove them.

Not sure if they remove hu tables, look at winamax now. Pretty much dead tables, 6.25% / max €1.50 rake is ridiculous. Also they didn't go for KOTH at .fr like .com. Some HU is better than no HU even for sites.

Winamax removed HU and only got zoom. Which is never running. Before the stupid removal, action was good, besides insane rake!

^two players at the moment at 2/4 !!!


the ego-hu´s at the 3handed tables that they also removed ran more than these zoomhu´s do which says alot

It's so frustrating that all other companies now think they have to copy every stupid move PS makes.

If you are of the view that removing HUNL is positive for the sites (increases net yield more than the reduction in revenue), then it's more that a move by Stars allows them to do the same.

Those pushing the argument that there's an opportunity for a lesser site to "step up" ignore two things:

1. Stars spends the overwhelming majority of the industry's marketing dollars and the lesser sites get some benefit riding in the slipstream of that. So expect them all to start promoting lower edge gaming formats as well.

2. The ~3.4m active unique players of online poker per quarter is in slow decline, and Stars is focused on efforts to retain their share of them via formats they'll lose their money slower at (but Stars gets more of relative to regs). Any competitor site that resists that move is arguing that Stars marketing won't work and that it will be better for them to make less money per rec offering the old formats. If they do that and it doesn't work, Stars increases market share further.

I think there is some risk to the above-market rakeback some ipoker skins offer as well.

I really don't see how winamax didnt make a profit from HU with no higher stakes than 1/2 and a 1,5 euro rake cap. I played 48k hands on Winamax and paid 15k in rake.

Maar jij bent een degen Ivanhoer.

je moeder

guess ivanhoe dgaf about his PS being banned anymore

how many ppl itt would have gotten into poker if they thought it was basically impossible to reach a level where only a very few ppl are even making more than 250k+/yr at poker online. dream is dead. these PS changes just further kill it.

not that ive been recommending anyone get into poker for earning $ for a while but holy **** def not now. thats a huge problem imo. im not necessarily bearish on online gambling but i am really bearish on online poker.

look at muumi, he made it to battling HS in a very tough environment (even tougher to do it now though) in a relatively short amt of time. i think 2 years from 1/2 to 25/50? anyways what is he like a 1 in thousands example? and what's his EV this year, 200? like its hard to give a **** about that if that's the best case scenario. probably at least some reason you see MTTs/Spins being popular.

idk who is going to load pokerstars NJ and look at the highest stakes 5/10, and think "yeah i want to get into poker because someday if i make it i could play 5/10 and earn 100k/yr"

The chances for a lowstakes player to make it even to 5/10 are almost 0 at HU, stars is dead and I doubt there is enough action on other sites to get the necessary volume in.

CG 6max is probably not much easier with scripters at regular tables and tough zoom pools.

The only chance to "make it" nowadays is to randomly bink a big MTT and move on from there.

Edit: If stars would have given the KOTH format a bit more time, I think we would've seen a lot more moving up and down, it was defintely the right direction.

WCGRider talking about how insane rake is after the changes is on Joey's podcast atm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMF2YHJqsKE

Meh I'd still like to be able to play TCOOP and stuff but given that I normally dropped like 3k on each tourney series they can suck my shaven balls.