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Old 01-14-2016, 02:18 PM   #54101
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idk why I'm getting involved in this thread but I can't help but share some stories here - a few pieces of history with dan and myself:


Dan also met a friend of mine in Vegas over the summer and bragged relentlessly at the table about his online results. When he found out we were friends, he made a point to talk **** to me on a stars table about this friend.
Yeah you did piss me off a fair bit. I exchanged info with you, in confidence that i was receiving correct info in return. When in fact this was not the case i took that as a break of trust. I guess its ambiguous and borderline of whatever it is. Anyway you got the delete- testament that a mans word stands in my highest regard.


Thanks for that post i guess. Though seemingly passive aggressive, it does firmly narrate the point of topic that im clearly not a multi account, rather, a mediocore moron reg getting blown out of the water by conspiracy theories. Which i think is and should be rather clear to anybody with more than say, 16 brain cells.
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Old 01-14-2016, 02:28 PM   #54102
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ya, post was pretty good overall for your character and certainly helped your case.
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Old 01-14-2016, 05:59 PM   #54103
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:32 PM   #54104
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heads up, EATITPAL skype is hacked I think
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:44 PM   #54105
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Ya don't click links from me, skypes been hacked.
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Old 01-14-2016, 07:49 PM   #54106
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heads up, EATITPAL skype is hacked I think
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:17 PM   #54107
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Ya don't click links from me, skypes been hacked.
Clicked on your link, it just downloaded 6gb of porn.... so thanks
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Old 01-14-2016, 09:19 PM   #54108
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Ya don't click links from me, skypes been hacked.
Any idea how this might have happend?

I'm always super paranoid about skype...
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:29 AM   #54109
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This is so far of the mark it's not even funny. Sure they are some scumbags, but in general the high stakes poker world consists of stand up guys who are super-ethical. Eg I recently xbooked my game with a russian pro who I have never met, will never meet, have no friends in common with, who is in a different jurisdiction. I asked someone who can only be described as a mutual online acquaintance at best, someone from another country again who I've met exactly one, if he could be trusted, and he said yes, so I did it.

The Russian ofcourse promptly paid the 30k he owed me after the match (and more to others).

This is the standard turn of events, the vast majority of the time it goes like this, to the point where we don't even think about this. Hell, that we discuss when it goes wrong is a sign of how rarely it happens, if it were commonplace nobody would xbook with random internet dudes for large amounts to begin with.

That something like this can happen between people who have absolutely no ties to each other is frankly baffling and a testament to how most people in the high stakes world are stand up dudes who are constantly in the temptation to cheat for large financial gains yet never do.
Well, obviously. I bet a huge % of midstakes bumhunters wouldn't ever steal in that situation. Even if they are anonymous and public only knows them by their screenname, there are probably people in local poker communities, forums, or friends who know who they are, plus they do themselves a big disservice by even ruining their online screenname reputation for measly $30K if they sit up to NL2K or something, where this amount could be just a single bad day on the tables.

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Fun fact: I recently did a 37k flip on an Anon 50/100 table vs I have no idea who, some fish. After a couple of smaller flips where we both always got it in with whatever we had that got us that deep, I called all-in for 37k with 75o. True to his word, he had also jammed the crap he had. That this can happen, on an ANON TABLE, is a testament to how great the online poker world is relative to the temptation. Most people playing high stakes online are stand up guys.
Again, if you fold in a flip you ruin your reputation instantly. I highly doubt even 3% of midstakes bumhunters would ever fold in a flip, it's easily provable, people will hassle and call you out on tables even if your screenname is not connected to your real name etc. However, if they met Doug Pork on Las Vegas and he offered them this awesome chance to come live at his house, be coached and sweated by him, get just 30% of his own profits for a year but likely become a crusher in the process, how many do you think would say no?

Also I don't know about Microgaming, but somehow on Party my friends always know who are playing on Anon tables. Probably easy to put 2 and 2 together in Micro aswell, and since it was fish it's pointless debate anyway
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Sure it probably happens sometimes as a way of coaching, that might be unethical, w/e. I don't think there's anything consistent about it though, I think the vast majority of the time people play solo. You really think doug or donger don't have anything better to do than sweating their horse playing 10/20 all the time?
Then it wouldn't be highly profitable for both parties and it doesn't happen. I'm saying in situations where it is, do you think ETHICS is what holds them back? Maybe some, but very small percentage. Big reason of why many of them don't consider doing it is because they are afraid they get caught, someone talks, and they ruin their rep. They don't care about some ****ing imaginary ethics lol, especially if it's against their competition who they would love to crush and destroy more than anything, even if it requires doing some 'non-ethical, semi-gray area' things.

kaby, if you watched that French poker documentary, can you really say after that with a straight face that you think it's more likely than not that these guys didn't sweat each other to the point of 'unethical' we are discussing here?

And these guys are the top of the world. So were Team CR (Brian, Brian & Cole) vs Isildur, jungleman & DOGISHEAD w/ Girah etc, and they are still highly respected and considered very ethical persons, although they kind of did same things that is discussed here, although to slightly lower degree (from what is publicly known). And I don't blame them, high percentage of us would do the same in their situation - you shouldn't expect people to follow undetectable, un-enforceable rules. It's good that they exist so the whole scummy online poker world doesn't look as scummy as it is, but behind closed doors if you're smart winning regular you should know the chances of playing vs multiple people in HU match can be quite high if the situation is very profitable for your opponent(s).
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:35 AM   #54110
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Also if I had to take a guess of who is 'cleanest' player of top HUNL players your name would be one of the first that comes to mind. Not because I think you are ethical (I don't know you), but you just seem to be 'solo loner' in the poker world kind of
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Old 01-15-2016, 05:45 AM   #54111
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idk why I'm getting involved in this thread but I can't help but share some stories here - a few pieces of history with dan and myself:

Part 1:
Last year danmerrr had me on skype and was chatting me up occasionally, we were on good terms for two guys who have played against each other on stars. One evening he took a look at the ipoker lobby while we were talking and tried to uncover my screen name there. I try to keep these names relatively out of the public (although it wouldn't take a genius to figure them out) as I'm sure most people do. He guessed the wrong name with a lot of confidence, and I played along for a while. I guess his correctly, never having played, simply because it was not a secretive screen name choice at all.

He ended up joining me maybe a week later and we 4 tabled for a bit, with me having the knowledge of who he was. You can take that as you will, I'd say I did nothing wrong here as he was making an effort to uncover who I was on a network where I don't like to share who I am. Meanwhile, if he had joined me without that conversation ever happening I still would have known who he was within a few hands because his name was obvious and I knew his play style.

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This obviously pissed him off, he removed me from Skype and went on to try and retaliate in other ways as well. Not long after there was a big fish playing 50/100 on Stars (he was playing 0% of regs at this limit at the time, our history was at 2/5 and 5/10 zoom mostly) and the fish was actively moving from table to table. I had a spot in the lobby and he joined me without posting once or saying anything, just let stars boot him after blocking me for 5 minutes. Several other regs witnessed that and I informed stars of his action as well.

Over the next few months as Dan actually made his way up to those limits he would join me late at night, when I generally quit my sessions or am afk. I did find this strange for someone who presumably lives in the UK, it would mean he's getting online at maybe 2am every day but I won't judge a poker player's sleep schedule. If I happened to be around I posted and he would posture or ask for 6 tables or become busy shortly after. Call it lobby politics if you will - he was progressively willing to risk playing more hands at high stakes in an effort to get 5k and 10k tables on stars.

Dan also met a friend of mine in Vegas over the summer and bragged relentlessly at the table about his online results. When he found out we were friends, he made a point to talk **** to me on a stars table about this friend.


More recently Dan has made a lot more money at 5k from what I understand but he is still avoiding certain regs as Nick pointed out. We've played a few short sessions in the past 3 months but it's obvious to me that he's not trying to beat the world quite yet. I'm not even near the top of the 5k+ food chain but it seems apparent that there are other games he'd rather play (humorously enough, guys like muumi, who happens to think I'm terrible and has the results vs me to back that up).

Anyway, I write this stuff here because a bunch of Dan's actions make no sense in the context of a secret multi account. He deliberately talks ****, makes enemies, sifts his way through the lobby to find tables rather than games and tries to be on the good side of who he thinks are strong regs and the bad side of weak ones. He has an 8x pot cbet sizing on his table ninja to fake misclicks ffs. He's a total ******* and if someone smart was behind his account they'd never let him table block me in a fit of rage. I suppose you could argue his backer/ghoster/whatever didn't do that personally but in my experience playing vs him it was almost certainly the same guy at 2/5 zoom, 5/10 zoom, ipoker 5/10, stars 25/50, etc. Seems like quite a long con for the mystery guy behind him...
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CLIFFS: Dan deliberately talks ****, makes enemies, sifts his way through the lobby to find tables rather than games and tries to be on the good side of who he thinks are strong regs and the bad side of weak ones. He has an 8x pot cbet sizing on his table ninja to fake misclicks ffs. He's a total *******.

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Old 01-15-2016, 07:13 AM   #54112
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what i don't get is if danmer u are innocent and are whining that this is killing ur action, why the fk would u try side bet money on it surely u do whatever u can to prove your innocence not try to bet massive sums of money on it.
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Old 01-15-2016, 07:56 AM   #54113
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kaby, if you watched that French poker documentary, can you really say after that with a straight face that you think it's more likely than not that these guys didn't sweat each other to the point of 'unethical' we are discussing here?
To be fair, the guy who made the documentary stated that it was only for the sake of filming the docu that the two guys were set up grinding in Seb's kitchen. Obv that was kind of a bad idea because of what it looks like to other poker pros.
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Old 01-15-2016, 12:53 PM   #54114
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So stars new thing, (prob related moreso to sng players) is to lock one's account and make them record a video of them playing for an hr, not a camtasia video, an actual video of them sitting at their computer and playing.

(For the record I dont have **** to hide and they haven't asked me to do this, it's other regs I've heard of) But I think this is so ****ing scummy of amaya. I mean where does the line get drawn with what they can make you do to access your $? Honestly I would be surprised if they could legally get away with this. I'm tempted to reach out to a lawyer and see what they think. Could they ask you to record the play in your underwear to make sure you're not hiding any buzzers attached to your body for signaling? Are they gonna make you zoom into your earholes to make sure you don't have an earpiece?

Seriously, this is so gross, **** them-**** you amaya. God I can't wait to quit this ******ed online poker environment.
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Old 01-15-2016, 01:35 PM   #54115
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So stars new thing, (prob related moreso to sng players) is to lock one's account and make them record a video of them playing for an hr, not a camtasia video, an actual video of them sitting at their computer and playing.

(For the record I dont have **** to hide and they haven't asked me to do this, it's other regs I've heard of) But I think this is so ****ing scummy of amaya. I mean where does the line get drawn with what they can make you do to access your $? Honestly I would be surprised if they could legally get away with this. I'm tempted to reach out to a lawyer and see what they think. Could they ask you to record the play in your underwear to make sure you're not hiding any buzzers attached to your body for signaling? Are they gonna make you zoom into your earholes to make sure you don't have an earpiece?

Seriously, this is so gross, **** them-**** you amaya. God I can't wait to quit this ******ed online poker environment.
With the amount of MA and other scummy behavior going on I'm not surprised...
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Old 01-15-2016, 07:32 PM   #54116
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So stars new thing, (prob related moreso to sng players) is to lock one's account and make them record a video of them playing for an hr, not a camtasia video, an actual video of them sitting at their computer and playing.

(For the record I dont have **** to hide and they haven't asked me to do this, it's other regs I've heard of) But I think this is so ****ing scummy of amaya. I mean where does the line get drawn with what they can make you do to access your $? Honestly I would be surprised if they could legally get away with this. I'm tempted to reach out to a lawyer and see what they think. Could they ask you to record the play in your underwear to make sure you're not hiding any buzzers attached to your body for signaling? Are they gonna make you zoom into your earholes to make sure you don't have an earpiece?

Seriously, this is so gross, **** them-**** you amaya. God I can't wait to quit this ******ed online poker environment.
is this real? i got my account locked this morning haven't played on stars in a few months
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Old 01-16-2016, 04:55 AM   #54117
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solid counter-measure by stars, it's not like you could make the video for an hour and then keep running your bots or anything
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Old 01-16-2016, 06:27 AM   #54118
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So stars new thing, (prob related moreso to sng players) is to lock one's account and make them record a video of them playing for an hr, not a camtasia video, an actual video of them sitting at their computer and playing.

(For the record I dont have **** to hide and they haven't asked me to do this, it's other regs I've heard of) But I think this is so ****ing scummy of amaya. I mean where does the line get drawn with what they can make you do to access your $? Honestly I would be surprised if they could legally get away with this. I'm tempted to reach out to a lawyer and see what they think. Could they ask you to record the play in your underwear to make sure you're not hiding any buzzers attached to your body for signaling? Are they gonna make you zoom into your earholes to make sure you don't have an earpiece?

Seriously, this is so gross, **** them-**** you amaya. God I can't wait to quit this ******ed online poker environment.
I don't get it. Why is this so gross? What else can they do vs bots/trying to enforce their chart rules? You should sit some 100s and play 6x6pong.
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Old 01-16-2016, 11:47 AM   #54119
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"However, we require a video recording of you playing. This recording has a few mandatory requirements:

- At the beginning of the recording, we must be able to clearly see your face in order to confirm your identity
- Before starting to play, you must rotate your camera 360 degrees to show us all of your surroundings
- You must start your playing session from an empty computer desktop, whereby you initiate the PokerStars client and log into your account
- After logging in, you must play a regular session of yours
- Your playing session at the tables must be for a minimum of 70 active minutes
- During your play at the tables, the recording must be of sufficient quality to see and track the activities that are taking place on your desktop. In addition, the recording must capture your surrounding environment including your monitor, keyboard, mouse and the movement of your hands
- Audio must be included in the recording
- You must minimise the amount of individual video files. Longer, continual recordings are preferred
- You have 10 days to complete this task

It is important that your playing session is conducted in the same manner as one of your typical sessions as your tendencies will be contrasted with your regular play.

You must supply the resulting recording to us via email. In the likely event the files exceed attachment limits, please utilise file sharing services such as Dropbox, Google Drive or whichever service you prefer. We'll largely leave this option up to you.

Failure to follow these instructions or if the video is of sub-par quality, will result in this task needing to be repeated."




Also, they're keeping the balance hostage unless you complete this video to their liking. It's so gross because they have way too much power here. They know the mac ID of your keyboard and mouse, they can look at your screen, they can see any programs running at all times, they can track your mouse movements/clicks etc. and now they want a video of people playing in their home. I think it's going too far as an invasion of privacy and it's like "jump through these hoops to keep your $ that's yours." And you just have to do whatever they say or you're ****ed. I suppose you like the government listening in on your phone calls because they might sniff out a terrorist threat? Or would you like them being able to show up unannounced to your house and check things out on a whim? Where do you draw the line? Yeah I get it's a decent way to stop people cheating but it's certainly not fullproof and I think it crosses the line. Seriously guys I get that everyone knows someone that in a curious/selfish way they might want this measure taken against but look at the big picture here.

I really doubt they could keep one's $ legally if they refused to do this. I mean they can't make you gamble on their command right? I understand banning one's account but not keeping the $.

For real this **** is vile.

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Old 01-16-2016, 12:27 PM   #54120
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"However, we require a video recording of you playing. This recording has a few mandatory requirements:

- At the beginning of the recording, we must be able to clearly see your face in order to confirm your identity
- Before starting to play, you must rotate your camera 360 degrees to show us all of your surroundings
- You must start your playing session from an empty computer desktop, whereby you initiate the PokerStars client and log into your account
- After logging in, you must play a regular session of yours
- Your playing session at the tables must be for a minimum of 70 active minutes
- During your play at the tables, the recording must be of sufficient quality to see and track the activities that are taking place on your desktop. In addition, the recording must capture your surrounding environment including your monitor, keyboard, mouse and the movement of your hands
- Audio must be included in the recording
- You must minimise the amount of individual video files. Longer, continual recordings are preferred
- You have 10 days to complete this task

It is important that your playing session is conducted in the same manner as one of your typical sessions as your tendencies will be contrasted with your regular play.

You must supply the resulting recording to us via email. In the likely event the files exceed attachment limits, please utilise file sharing services such as Dropbox, Google Drive or whichever service you prefer. We'll largely leave this option up to you.

Failure to follow these instructions or if the video is of sub-par quality, will result in this task needing to be repeated."




Also, they're keeping the balance hostage unless you complete this video to their liking. It's so gross because they have way too much power here. They know the mac ID of your keyboard and mouse, they can look at your screen, they can see any programs running at all times, they can track your mouse movements/clicks etc. and now they want a video of people playing in their home. I think it's going too far as an invasion of privacy and it's like "jump through these hoops to keep your $ that's yours." And you just have to do whatever they say or you're ****ed. I suppose you like the government listening in on your phone calls because they might sniff out a terrorist threat? Or would you like them being able to show up unannounced to your house and check things out on a whim? Where do you draw the line? Yeah I get it's a decent way to stop people cheating but it's certainly not fullproof and I think it crosses the line. Seriously guys I get that everyone knows someone that in a curious/selfish way they might want this measure taken against but look at the big picture here.

I really doubt they could keep one's $ legally if they refused to do this. I mean they can't make you gamble on their command right? I understand banning one's account but not keeping the $.

For real this **** is vile.
It sounds extreme but I think it's totally reasonable to do this in certain situations, especially for new accounts or accounts that are playing way higher limits they usually do.

Obviously it would be ridiculous if they had established players like sauce or even you to complete this task.
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Old 01-16-2016, 01:15 PM   #54121
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I dont see how this is 'vile', its abit intrusive but with how much everyone jumps down stars throat(rightly so), when bots are found on the site, it seems like this is a logical step to take.*

Would you not be outraged at stars incompetence if you discovered bots in your games, and discovered stars had done nothing to protect your funds from them up until the point that it had came to their attention?

I see it more as stars protecting other players funds as opposed to them holding the party in questions funds at ransom.

*Im not sure how they would/should go about discovering bots, so perhaps this method isnt so logical.
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Old 01-16-2016, 01:26 PM   #54122
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I don't like it either- but imo the problem is mainly their ridiculous new rules on preflop charts which can be more or less memorised anyway (ev different isn't that big for someone playing "perfect GTO" preflop and someone making small mistakes but still uses roughly correct ranges).

I also don't think they can keep your $ legally. They need evidence of serious cheating to do that, but to ban you from the site- they don't need much.

You are right about posting here being less relevant though, since preflop charts at hunl aren't nearly as used/useful as in shortstacked HU/shorthanded.
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Old 01-16-2016, 05:16 PM   #54123
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Anyone with russian ptr who can share tr1mmer nick from ipoker?

100% bot and still playing daily.
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Anyone with russian ptr who can share tr1mmer nick from ipoker?

100% bot and still playing daily.
He's still playing? Unreal...
Didn't see him for a while and then I forgot checking, WH support told they don't give a **** about this tho...
I wouldn't be surprised if it's some Ipoker employee behind this bot.
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He's still playing? Unreal...
Didn't see him for a while and then I forgot checking, WH support told they don't give a **** about this tho...
I wouldn't be surprised if it's some Ipoker employee behind this bot.
We discussed about him while ago with couple other regs here and sent some video of him having insta sitout script against one player. Ipoker didn't see anything suspicious.

He doesn't even care if I block his 4 tables for a hour or something lol.

edit. Oh didn't realise it was you asking...

Would be nice to see what kind of winrate his having and how much hours etc.
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