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Old 11-26-2013, 07:13 PM   #76
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are you isopaisti?
i swear i see that dude playing all the time
nahh
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:55 AM   #77
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Re: HEADS UP ZOOM

confirmed rake not beatable



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should probably stop value raising rivers so thinly

    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21099381

    Hero (SB): $239.02 (239 bb)
    BB: $252.71 (252.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T J
    Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $6

    Flop: ($16) 8 J 5 (2 players)
    BB bets $9, Hero calls $9

    Turn: ($34) Q (2 players)
    BB bets $22, Hero calls $22

    River: ($78) 3 (2 players)
    BB bets $47, Hero raises to $200.02 and is all-in, BB calls $153.02

    Results: $478.04 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: 8 J 5 Q 3
    Hero showed T J and lost (-$239.02 net)
    BB showed J Q and won $477.54 ($238.52 net)



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    was it you receiving my monies in this cooler phong??
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    Old 11-27-2013, 04:35 AM   #78
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    What are you thinking when shoving this river? Trying to make him fold Qx, KK, AA?
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    Old 11-27-2013, 04:44 AM   #79
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    Wow, just played my first session and I love it so much. The things I miss most about 6 max are only having to have money on a couple of sites and getting insta-action whenever I want. This solves both of them.
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    Old 11-27-2013, 04:57 AM   #80
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    Wow, just played my first session and I love it so much. The things I miss most about 6 max are only having to have money on a couple of sites and getting insta-action whenever I want. This solves both of them.
    Exactly! Think about the amount of constant insta-action all the bad ass KOTH-driven high stakes ballers are getting at the moment!! And then I woke up. No one gives a ****, everyone bumhunts.
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    Old 11-27-2013, 05:39 AM   #81
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    Exactly! Think about the amount of constant insta-action all the bad ass KOTH-driven high stakes ballers are getting at the moment!! And then I woke up. No one gives a ****, everyone bumhunts.
    Right, which is why Zoom is so awesome. You can sit down and play instantly. This is hugely attractive to some players.
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    Old 11-27-2013, 05:42 AM   #82
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    What are you thinking when shoving this river? Trying to make him fold Qx, KK, AA?
    there is a little more thought into it than this but this is the goal, its pretty hard for me to get to this river and have a bluff, and im obviously not value shoving worse and most of his value combo range turn into pure bluff catchers in a spot where its hard for me to have a bluff.

    my obvious bluff combos would be backdoor KT and AT flushdraws and 67s all of which are suited combos and is pretty small compared to 55 88 jqo jqs 9to 9ts.

    think jto is close if not the worst made hand i can get to the river with so adding that to my bluff combo range makes some sense, it also blocks 9t jj and jq combo for his nutted range.

    think the turn is probably the interesting part of the hand because im not even convinced its a call, with the qx turn it seriously helps my range so when a reg bets here he probably is heavily weighted to value, at the same time his value hands can definitely get put into a really sick spot on the river given how deep we are so i think its a reasonable call.
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    Old 11-27-2013, 10:59 AM   #83
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    Are PT4 HUDS working? They say they updated it but mine is still not working.
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    Old 11-27-2013, 11:34 AM   #84
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    Are PT4 HUDS working? They say they updated it but mine is still not working.
    mine is
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    Old 11-27-2013, 12:15 PM   #85
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    Are PT4 HUDS working? They say they updated it but mine is still not working.
    mine is also, bought hm2 yday cos I though it wud work, it didn't, bought pt4 2day, it worked.

    $60 lost!
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    Old 11-27-2013, 12:16 PM   #86
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    Are PT4 HUDS working? They say they updated it but mine is still not working.
    not working here
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    Old 11-27-2013, 12:24 PM   #87
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    mine is also, bought hm2 yday cos I though it wud work, it didn't, bought pt4 2day, it worked.

    $60 lost!
    ever heard of a trial version?
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    Old 11-27-2013, 02:35 PM   #88
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    ever heard of a trial version?
    got it about 10 year ago when it came out ya bawsack!
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    Old 11-27-2013, 02:39 PM   #89
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    didnt know HEM2 was around for ten years, my apologies
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    Old 11-27-2013, 02:52 PM   #90
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    didnt know HEM2 was around for ten years, my apologies
    apology accepted
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    Old 11-27-2013, 05:50 PM   #91
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    Zoom HU <3!
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    Old 11-27-2013, 07:40 PM   #92
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    Poker Copilot 3 for Mac has been my HUD for years but does not support Zoom. I tried going blind but HUDS are clearly being used against me - never been 3bet so much or had my cbets called so often - so I'm at a disadvantage. Installing a trial of PT4 as I type this.

    If I can't get a HUD fired up, what is the general strategy here? Seems like there are a lot of ATMs floating around and you can pretty much just play ABC, but tightening my ranges anytime in heads up freaking PAINS me. Then again, with the amount I get 3bet/have my cbets called here, I don't see any alternative other than playing like a freshman sorority girl learning hold em for the first time: just bet when you have something (look at all the clovers!).
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    Old 11-27-2013, 08:25 PM   #93
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    Sample size brah
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    Old 11-27-2013, 10:15 PM   #94
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    In b4 Purple Dog needs to invest in new underwear as thread got to 5k views.
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    Old 11-27-2013, 10:18 PM   #95
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    So how is the competition at stars hu zoom 50nl and 100nl? Like playing on average a semifish or is it reg infested or what?
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    Old 11-27-2013, 11:43 PM   #96
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    apology accepted
    The intentional missed irony level. HEM2 is a disaster, I have been running it on a reasonable machine for two years and now I am being faced with having to buy a $2000 computer because it is at the point of total failure. Fk that.
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    Old 11-27-2013, 11:47 PM   #97
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    Poker Copilot 3 for Mac has been my HUD for years but does not support Zoom. I tried going blind but HUDS are clearly being used against me - never been 3bet so much or had my cbets called so often - so I'm at a disadvantage. Installing a trial of PT4 as I type this.

    If I can't get a HUD fired up, what is the general strategy here? Seems like there are a lot of ATMs floating around and you can pretty much just play ABC, but tightening my ranges anytime in heads up freaking PAINS me. Then again, with the amount I get 3bet/have my cbets called here, I don't see any alternative other than playing like a freshman sorority girl learning hold em for the first time: just bet when you have something (look at all the clovers!).
    The ABC vs ATMs HUDless is GTO. You can tell me to GTFO now.

    (those freshman sorority girls' mating strategies might be worth studying)
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    Old 11-28-2013, 12:01 AM   #98
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    The ABC vs ATMs HUDless is GTO. You can tell me to GTFO now.

    (those freshman sorority girls' mating strategies might be worth studying)
    I noticed all the acronyms before I hit Submit Reply but simply could not help myself. FML.
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    Old 11-28-2013, 05:40 AM   #99
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    Exactly! Think about the amount of constant insta-action all the bad ass KOTH-driven high stakes ballers are getting at the moment!! And then I woke up. No one gives a ****, everyone bumhunts.
    This. It's really funny to see all the KOTH-advocates NOT playing zoom and hiding behind excuses like 'my hud isnt working boohoo'. Perhaps learn to play poker without 120 stats on your screen.
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    Old 11-28-2013, 07:34 AM   #100
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    Interesting to see in couple months how games are changing. There's basically zero hu zoom action at nl1k+ (this is odd because wouldn't all hs regs now be willing to sit all day long because action is so good). Action is quite good at 2.5/5 and 1/2 and lower. But how long? Every ****reg (and thats a lot at least in 1/2) is going broke or starting to bumhunt again, or like they would say "build my roll".

    But at the moment games are good, and insta-action is great for all. Very nice to be able to get multiple tables action ASAP and be able to play only like 30mins or so on.
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