If you invest x dollars to win y dollars, your profit isn't y dollars, it's y minus x dollars.

It's unnecessary. There are alternate (and identical) ways to phrase the equation such that it's included, but it's better and a lot simpler to avoid it.

I'll try this with another hand history then. I called a small 4-Bet pre which was something this player was doing a lot and then shoved over his C-Bet.

I gave him a range and calculated I have 46% fold equity here and vs his calling range I'd have 22% equity.

EV = (0.46)*$22.50 + (0.54)*($81*0.22 - $33) = ~ +$2.15

Hope I didn't misunderstand something.

math is correct

Who would you recommend for heads up coaching and roughly what is their price per hour?

Is it okay to give your opponent a "spazz out factor"? Like your opponent would just lose his nerves and spazz out.
Opponent was passive fish, but he did xr paired board light earlier (and checked down afterwards). He was active in smaller pots and had AF 2.2, so he wasn't a passive whale kind of player.
I would fold in the future in the same spot, probably should have folded here too. I now know that he donks draws, so I would also raise flop for value. He's not very bluffy.

OnGame - $2 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $526.60 (VPIP: 76.23, PFR: 37.68, 3Bet Preflop: 22.01, Hands: 352)
Hero (SB): $213.90

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has 3 K

Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $3.00

Flop: ($10.00, 2 players) 5 T Q
BB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($25.00, 2 players) 6
BB bets $17.00, Hero calls $17.00

River: ($59.00, 2 players) 4
BB bets $90.00, Hero calls $90.00

^^ Same fish. Don't know what to think of this hand. Don't see fish folding any value hand here.
If he randomly spewed here, could it be possible that he spewed in the hand above also?

OnGame - $2 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $279.00 (VPIP: 77.24, PFR: 37.47, 3Bet Preflop: 21.46, Hands: 444)
Hero (SB): $540.50

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has Q 4

Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $3.00

Flop: ($10.00, 2 players) 8 T 4
BB checks, Hero bets $7.00, BB calls $7.00

Turn: ($24.00, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets $18.00, BB raises to $80.00, Hero raises to $528.50 and is all-in, fold




Also is it possible to win a HU match against fish without bluff raising at all?
I took notes that he plays SDV very passively, even before the river. He would not cbet 2nd pair for protection. So that means his betting range is either draws, TP or bluffs. He had 52% cbet flop.
Same was the river. Since I knew he wasn't betting for thin value, his range would be either bluffs or TP/nuts. I bluff raised river once on wet board and he called with TPMK.
Another spot was limped pots. He would limp on the BTN and I would fold a lot to his bets. He was betting 49% in limped pot. Think I could have raised those bets, and just give up if he calls. 49% range will have air, and it's weaker range than his cbetting range.

Just ran awful in the match. Gave him all the respect in the world, not sure if that was bad. It got to the point where I felt like unless I start bluff raising, I can't beat him short term. Of course I stacked him in the big pots.

That's what all mediocre bumhunters do for years

I didn't beat the fish, and one reason was that I had 1% flop xr. Meaning that I didn't hit the nuts very often, not even a FD. If I had put in some raises, he might not have bet so often.

I would just want to make sure that when I raise, he really has nothing.

how do you counter players who donk bet all the time? its so annoying.

Just pay attention, learn on what textures they are doing it and with what hands. Some players might only donk bet small amount as a bluff, but rather bet any pair and draw.
One easy adjustment would be to tighten your stealing range, if you haven't already. If you open 100% and guy donks 60%, it's going to be tough.

Do winning players implement limping strategy?
I've played against a guy that just has to be a fish. But he is winning over big samples.
Limps 32%, RFI 54%. So he's folding 14% of the worst starting hands. His limping range is not static, sometimes he limps K7s A9o, sometimes 73o.
I think it's working decently for him. My adjustment vs that strategy is to donk bet flop and sometimes XR, but obviously I will miss a lot of flops.
Theoretically I don't lose anything when he limps. I get free flops with worst hands.

So I think winning players would prefer raising, and guy limping 34% just has to be a fish?

Is this kind of graph standard for a fish? He was huge station OTR. Only way to bluff him was to double barrel equity, make a delayed cbet or xr bluff.
One way he was making money was by 3-betting 21%. He 3-betted 2.5x -> 10x so I didn't need to defend a lot game theoretically. Defending 28% would be the breakeven point. 4-bet bluffing didn't work either, he would call A7o ATs etc. I would also fold rivers very often, since he was mainly betting for value there.
So only way to beat this fish seemed to be to win the showdowns.
Were I doing something wrong if he had this red line?


We later played a match at 400, he totally kicked my ass. Even when I knew exactly how he was playing and all the adjustments I had to make vs him. Like check/raising in limped pots and NOT cbet bluff. I'm anxious of these losses because my BR took a big hit from chasing this fish

not particularly close. light 3-bets have >0% equity.

How come?
That was for his raise, 0 = -9 * (1-x) + 3.5 * x, x = 0.28
Do we need to defend more since we opened?
I had RFI 85% overall, was aiming at 80%. FT3B was 66%.

unsuccessful 3-bets only lose 9 bb when you 4-bet. they recoup some of that when you call -- even the junkiest ones do.

You got reverse bum hunted

Okay. You could say the same when I 4-bet, I did make full house with K2s after 4-betting.
Do you have any comments on those graphs?
If he can have that red line, were I giving up too often on pots?
I just tried to play tight vs fish.

I'm new to HU so that wouldn't be impossible.
The guy was limping 34%, would call down bottom pair in 3-bet pot and so on. But it seems to work for him. He's obviously a fish given the way he plays, but it seems to work for him.
He's listed as a big winner in PTR. I don't know how he does it.

I think I should have min-opened. He's 3-betting nearly 22% and calling 51%. So our steal won't succeed very often. Pot will be bloated when he 3-bets 2.5 -> 10, so there's less implied odds.
He didn't have obvious leak like high FTCB, so there's not a lot of fold equity post-flop. FTCB River 13% should tell enough. 3-barrelling will never work, bluffing flop or sometimes double barrelling does work.
So just min-open and try to hit something. Or what do you think?

A fish loses money. This guy ain't no fish, m8.

He's a pretty good fish then
Reg fish?

Maybe you have other conceptual leaks as big as the 3-bet one that are costing you $.

Here's few:

- High'ish FTCB, took me a while to figure out that the guy was cbetting let's say 40% bluffs and 60% value. His cbet was like 47% so it seemed low. So could have check/raised more
- Maybe called too much OOP vs 47% RFI. Think my FTCB was like 43%
- Not 3-betting enough at the start
- Not bluff catching, since I think the guy was bluffing missed draws, but he would also randomly give up with air OTR
- River play is my leak in 6-max and HU, I play very tight OTR, but I'd say he wasn't bluffing a lot.
- Cbet bluffing cost me plenty of money. Couldn't figure out correct cbetting strategy. If the board was K72 he would float A-high and Q-high etc.

seems like he was the competent one and you were the one clicking buttons

He c-bet 60% for value, and that makes you wanna x/r more ?

What exactly would be wrong with floating a lot of the better A-high combos on this flop, and Q-highs with BDFDs ?