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Old 12-01-2010, 03:36 AM   #51
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Hi, I just switched to HU after about 18 months at FR. I watched pr1nnyraiding series 1 before getting started and now I am beginning on series 2. I mostly have been limiting opponents to only short stackers and loose passives = 60/20ish. However, when playing against these particular types of opponents, I dont bluff much. This causes my redline to be waaaaay negative which makes me wonder am I taking the wrong approach. Should I worry about this?

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Old 12-01-2010, 03:14 PM   #52
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Hello -

I wanted to ask a question about transitioning to HUNL.

I am a LHE reg - have been playing for a couple of years and I'm a breakeven player. I'm not the greatest player and I have a lot to learn. I am a member of DC and have access to all their HU vids.

My question is should I learn and play 6m first then transition into HU? Or should I just start with the basics of HUNL and just go from there? Am I loosing time by not learning HU strat if that's the game I'd like to play or is there a "right of passage" in that you should learn 6M or even FR first before transitioning into HUNL?

I have a lot of time to really sit down and study now that I am laid off but I don't want to waste time either by not going the right study route. Also - I have the $ for a good solid 50HUNL - should I just go for it?
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edit: I should I also add that I have experienced some pretty sick downswings playing 1/2LHE and the variance even though I've heard it's the worst in HUNL doesn't scare me. I think I have the fortitude to handle it if I can load up a 100bi br. Thank you again.
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Old 12-02-2010, 04:05 PM   #53
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Just trying NL50 on full tilt last night and I am the fish so I thought ppl would want to play me but everyone kept getting up 10 bucks and quitting me...anyway I got a good 500 hand session going against villain. This hand was at the end of the session and I had noticed that he was calling my 3-bets OTB with hands like A3, A7o. So I decided to 3-bet lighter (don't know if this is correct). He also had decided to recently float flops in 3-bet pots but normally would shut down to a second barrel.

Hero in BB ($75):dealt J9
Villain SB/BTN (Covers me)

Villain raises to 1.5, Hero raises to 5, Villain calls 3.5

Flop: A49

Hero bets 7.5 (been the standard c-bet in 3-bet pots), Villain calls 7.5

Turn: 8 Pot(25)

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Two nine of clubs? That's unpossible.
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Old 12-02-2010, 04:27 PM   #54
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Two nine of clubs? That's unpossible.
lol i didnt even notice
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:45 PM   #55
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Two nine of clubs? That's unpossible.
Musta played it at UB!
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Old 12-03-2010, 04:50 PM   #56
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lol no. once you get to know who certain posters are you will see there are a ton of very good posts. there are some bad ones too but you just have to learn how is competent and who is a retard
Great, ty man
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:58 PM   #57
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sure np and gl. enjoy the forums
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:21 PM   #58
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what do you think are the pros and cons of HU sngs and HU cash?
- rake
- game structure (cash = 100 bb stacks ; sng 10-100 bb stacks)
- hourly rate
- variance
- if the regular 6 max cash player should start HU sng or HU cash first if wanting to venture into the HU world
- As well as anything else that I haven't mentioned and you wish to add/comment.
  • 0.25/0.50: 0.05 for every 1.00= 5% | 5.25 SnG: single 0.25 fee on 5.25= 4.76%
  • Cash has deeper stacks with lower blinds.
  • Ring Games allow rebuys where SnG's have rematches. Commitment determines hourly rate.
  • Constant blind pressure makes variance higher in tournaments.
  • Decision between cash and tournaments depends on bankroll situation.
    Lower buy-ins are available for SnG's while Cash reaches much higher stakes.
  • Cash has deeper stacks, rebuys, and liberty to leave whenever. SnG's have lower rake, constant blind pressure, and remtaches.
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Old 12-12-2010, 04:22 PM   #59
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hey,

i'm a midstakes 6 max player learning HU at 100nl and 200nl,i notice the rake is massive in these games,i'm just wondering has anyone ever put up a post comparing HU rake across the sites,it seems like it could make 100nl almost unbeatable,even though the players are terrible.

HU rake on my site is capped at $1,i'm wondering is this standard and also what sort of effect it would have on your winrate at low stakes.

is there a big difference between rake on the various networks? i'm playing at ongame at the moment but could move to somewhere else.
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Old 12-12-2010, 07:13 PM   #60
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hey,

i'm a midstakes 6 max player learning HU at 100nl and 200nl,i notice the rake is massive in these games,i'm just wondering has anyone ever put up a post comparing HU rake across the sites,it seems like it could make 100nl almost unbeatable,even though the players are terrible.

HU rake on my site is capped at $1,i'm wondering is this standard and also what sort of effect it would have on your winrate at low stakes.

is there a big difference between rake on the various networks? i'm playing at ongame at the moment but could move to somewhere else.
i believe pokerlisting compares rakeback for sites. 100NL is very beatable. Most sites cap it at $.50 but some do cap it at $1 which is outrageous and I wont play lower than NL200 on these sites
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:23 PM   #61
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Hi guys.

I started playing HU SnGs a while back with the intention to move to HU Cash once I was rolled for it. I've moved up to the $23 SnGs a few weeks ago and seem to be finding them ok. My BR is around $800 atm (which I built from 0).

I've seen people say that the rake for 50nl HU is so terrible that's it's not even worth playing, so... am I better increasing my BR more through SnGs until I'm rolled for 100nl? Or do I need the experience of 50nl to move up to 100nl? Or would my SnG experience be sufficient? (I know cash is different because of deep stacks, watched the DC vids etc).

Also, what's the standard roll for 50nl + 100nl?

I'm looking to move to cash as soon as possible and plan to move up with a somewhat aggressive BR management. But don't want to get killed by rake.

Thoughts?
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:14 AM   #62
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hey,

i'm a midstakes 6 max player learning HU at 100nl and 200nl,i notice the rake is massive in these games,i'm just wondering has anyone ever put up a post comparing HU rake across the sites,it seems like it could make 100nl almost unbeatable,even though the players are terrible.

HU rake on my site is capped at $1,i'm wondering is this standard and also what sort of effect it would have on your winrate at low stakes.

is there a big difference between rake on the various networks? i'm playing at ongame at the moment but could move to somewhere else.
Pokerstars NL50 rake cap is 0.50cents that is if the pot goes over the 10 USD the rake is capped and no rake more.
One bad excample is Everest NL10 rake is capped with 0.25, but with NL25 the cap is 1.00 which is horrible.
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:33 PM   #63
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Lets say your facing an opponent you know is a looseish passiveish fish. You have AK and he 3bets smallish like 2.75x You think his range atm is somewhat wide. Would you want to 4bet small like 2.25x to keep his range wider or 4bet to a regular size to avoid giving him good odds w/ hands you do not dominate?
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Old 12-15-2010, 03:04 AM   #64
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Hi guys, am staking a 50nl hu player. Was going to put him on merge initially but he's australian and so they won't accept him. Am thinking of putting him on entraction, but does that have enough traffic or should I put him on Ipoker instead?
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Old 12-15-2010, 05:49 PM   #65
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Beginner at 50NL.

Question: where is the money made (or not lost) against fish at HU?

(example answer: I asked this question at 6 max, and the answer was basically...preflop, having a tighter range. Getting value from your hands by betting them instead of slowplaying them. Folding garbage like gutshots and bottom pairs. Aka, having a stronger showdown value.)
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Old 12-16-2010, 11:32 AM   #66
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Hi,

I am thinking about starting with hu besides my maingame, NL400 sh. It´s just for learning and fun. Which limit would you recommend me. I am fairly unexperienced in hu. Nl100 or Nl200? Why?
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Old 12-17-2010, 02:00 AM   #67
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Musta played it at UB!
Trust me I wish I was superuser...I was trying to remember the hand at work, but this is the actual hand history. After my bet he went and raised, I have put over half my stack in at this point...Fold or call??? FWIW he was raising 70% of his buttons and folding 30% to 3-bets and 30% fold to CB in 3-bet pots over 530 hand sample

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $71.40
BTN/SB: $196.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J 9
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BTN/SB calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.00) A 4 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN/SB calls $7.50

Turn: ($25.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN/SB raises to $184.10 all in

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Old 12-17-2010, 06:50 AM   #68
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Trust me I wish I was superuser...I was trying to remember the hand at work, but this is the actual hand history. After my bet he went and raised, I have put over half my stack in at this point...Fold or call??? FWIW he was raising 70% of his buttons and folding 30% to 3-bets and 30% fold to CB in 3-bet pots over 530 hand sample

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $71.40
BTN/SB: $196.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J 9
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BTN/SB calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.00) A 4 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN/SB calls $7.50

Turn: ($25.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN/SB raises to $184.10 all in
stove it yourself, looks like a pretty easy call
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Old 12-17-2010, 09:29 AM   #69
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there is some guy who i play live HU with, but now we want to play a lot of hands online HU. He's kind of tricky and hard to figure out.

PREFLOP: When he is on the button he almost never raises so i can see a lot of cheap flops but it's hard to put him on a hand, he can have JJ or he kan have 95os. and when i am on the button he almost never folds to my raises (he loves to see the flop)

POSTFLOP: he almost always calls my cbet cause he sais i'm always cbing
on the river he dares to overbet pot with monster or bluf, or in the really small pots he dares to bet 1-3bb with air or good hand for value.

Preflop he is a passive oponent, but postflop he can be agressive and use scarecards.

TO my opinion i think he sometimes reads good, but he calls to much and certainly on the river.

Against this kind of villain, how should i play our HU on the internet?
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Old 12-17-2010, 03:19 PM   #70
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Hello

Im literally brand new to cash games and have no idea of cash game strategy whatsoever. Can anyone suggest a good book for basic cash game strategy? or a beginners video? also where would you recommend to start? full ring, 6 max or hu?

Many thanks

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Old 12-17-2010, 05:13 PM   #71
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stove it yourself, looks like a pretty easy call
yeah I did, just wanted confirmation...I did end up calling
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Old 12-18-2010, 03:12 PM   #72
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- What's the best site for HU action below 100nl?
Can anyone help me with this? Somebody mentioned titan poker has 2nl. Or is 20nl def the minimum people have seen?
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:59 PM   #73
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i wouldnt play any hu below 50nl tbh, rake is too much
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:54 PM   #74
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i wouldnt play any hu below 50nl tbh, rake is too much
can anyone confirms this?

Had anyone had a positive winrate over a 50k+ hand sample in a NLHU game under 50NL?
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:39 PM   #75
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can anyone confirms this?

Had anyone had a positive winrate over a 50k+ hand sample in a NLHU game under 50NL?
u can have a positive winrate but rake does kill. Would only play nl50 if u know u are gonna crush pretty hard
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