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Old 10-19-2010, 09:36 PM   #1
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****General Questions THREAD****

You can also post your questions here: ****HU CASH Regs Thread****




Things that belong in this thread:

- I'm new to HU! We would love to welcome you guys to the forum but if every new person starts their own thread then the strategy posts will continue to fall to page 2. Post these questions here.

- What's the best site for HU videos? This question comes up a lot so rather than deal with a new thread every time, you will ask it here.

- What's the best site for HU action below 100nl? I don't know but some people will. Post these questions here.

- What's a general strategy for X type of players or general stats (TC)

-General bankroll management questions (TC)

-General rake questions i.e. "can I beat 20NL with the rake or should I plays SNGS?" (TC)

Thats all I can think of at the moment. If you think that your question can be answered in 3 or fewer replies then it probably doesn't need its own thread. Post it here.


I will try to answer as many questions as possible and it'd be great if other forum regs helped out as well.

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Old 10-19-2010, 09:59 PM   #2
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Who are the best instructors for HU videos?

What do you guys think is the best way to get better at HU without losing so much money in the process? I took a break and i started playing again a few weeks ago. I've been playing 50NL on FT and i just keep losing. I am definitely improving but im a college student and i cant afford to lose all this money.
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:13 PM   #3
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Watch videos and start out low like .25/.50. Also make sure you have an understanding basic bankroll management stuff so you don't end up going busto due to variance.

I watched Cpar1, DogisHead, and Pr1nny before I got started. All three have really solid intro to HU series.
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:34 PM   #4
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When I started I watched deucescracked and Leggo HU videos...i liked Krantz, Dogishead, Wiltontilt, aejones, foxwoodsfiend, and some other DC vids...if i had to chose one i would choose DC, but that's just me
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:05 AM   #5
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3 part question guys:

can people give me some basic HU strategy tips? also, where are the best videos for HU players? and also, what site has softest action?

But seriously now, MasterLJ at CR has a good 6 part series that helped me when I was starting (and whenever I feel I'm losing sight of fundamentals, it's extremely good to watch again)

There's also a thread in the training site forum that suggests good videos for beginners
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:24 AM   #6
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I know there's not gonna be a magic number but can I get a normal win rate range and maybe even some random high win rates that you've heard of. Also any talk about different benchmarks for meaningful sample sizes of hands would be great.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:01 AM   #7
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idk what others think, just imo, 5ptbb/100 is a good winrate, 10ptbb/100 is achievable, 11-15ptbb/100 is done by some...you might start having an idea of ur winrate around 50k hands? idk, i'd feel more comfortable aroudn 100k
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Old 10-21-2010, 12:09 AM   #8
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what is the general strategy vs a loose player (aggro or passive) that see a lot of flops, and is passive on the flop but has high aggression on the river?
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:20 AM   #9
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what do you think are the pros and cons of HU sngs and HU cash?
when answering think about

- rake
- game structure (cash = 100 bb stacks ; sng 10-100 bb stacks)
- hourly rate
- variance
- fish players pool (hu sng has more or hu cash has more?)
- if the regular 6 max cash player should start HU sng or HU cash first if wanting to venture into the HU world
- And if playing solid is the hourly higher than someone 6 tabling 6 max as opposed to 4 tabling HU?
- As well as anything else that I haven't mentioned and you wish to add/comment.

I have more good questions but I want to have this answered first please and thank you!

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Old 10-22-2010, 05:19 AM   #10
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this needs to be mentioned in the sticky...

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Old 10-23-2010, 10:01 PM   #11
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How many tables do decent uNL/ssNL HU cash players play at once?
-Does it matter whether or not it is against the same player?

Do HU NL cash players take notes on the player while they are playing? Or do they just remember key hands mentally?
-If they do take notes, do they do it on HEM or on like a piece of paper or something?

Where can I find a sweat buddy to help me with my HU game?

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Old 10-23-2010, 11:17 PM   #12
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How many tables do decent uNL/ssNL HU cash players play at once?
-Does it matter whether or not it is against the same player?

Do HU NL cash players take notes on the player while they are playing? Or do they just remember key hands mentally?
-If they do take notes, do they do it on HEM or on like a piece of paper or something?

THanks
2-6, though i imagine most are 2-4.its definately easier to 4table the same person than 4 different opponents.

notes are very helpful, you can use HEM or the softwares note systems (colour coding fish and regs etc will make it easier to navigate lobby and avoid and find particular groups of opponents) but with both if you want to transfer the data between computers you must do it manually.
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:08 AM   #13
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can people give me some basic HU strategy tips?
-Raise the button a lot and cbet a lot until your opponent forces you to do otherwise.
-Learn to differentiate between hands that can go for 1, 2 or 3 streets of value.
-Learn to recognize good 2nd and 3rd barreling opportunities.
-Don't play to many hands oop, you make your money on the button.
-Remember, in hu holdem nobody ever has anything on the flop (in general) so the guy who wins most of the pots where both players have nothing is gonna be the winner. In practice that means you should look for every cost-effective opportunity to steal pots, mostly the small-mid sized ones. It does not mean you should have win-every-pot syndrome.
-When facing light 3bettors, minraise so that you can call more and then use your position to beat them. Float flops, bluffraise flops, let them barrel when you flop well etc.

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Old 10-24-2010, 10:49 AM   #14
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oh, I forgot:

Those tips are just one style of beating an opponent. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Always pay attention to how he's playing and adjust. Also, learn to anticipate his adjustments to your play.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:54 PM   #15
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Nice post for the new ones wolfram
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:06 PM   #16
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-Learn to differentiate between hands that can go for 1, 2 or 3 streets of value.
-Learn to recognize good 2nd and 3rd barreling opportunities.


Can someone give some basic examples of this? I definitely don't know either of these things. Thanks-
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:18 PM   #17
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-Learn to differentiate between hands that can go for 1, 2 or 3 streets of value.
-Learn to recognize good 2nd and 3rd barreling opportunities.

Can someone give some basic examples of this? I definitely don't know either of these things. Thanks-
Maybe something like you open Q9o otb and get called. Flop comes T-9-4 with two hearts, you bet and get called. Turn is a deuce.

This is not a spot where you can bet the turn and then bet the river and expect to get called two more times by a worse hand often. So I'd maybe bet the turn (intending to fold to a raise) and then check most rivers or check the turn and try to either bluff-catch the river getting two streets of value that way. If the river is something like a K and he checks I might bet to try to get him to bluffcatch with a worse nine or pocket pair (A4 maybe?), again getting two streets of value, although that might be thin cause lots of Tx play this way and he might fold some of the range we beat.

As for a good 2nd barreling opportunity:
You open 56s and get called. Flop is T-8-4 rainbow. You bet and get called. Turn is a King. That King misses a check/calling range on that flop pretty hard and serves as another scare card to an 8, a 4 or a pocket pair (or A-hi if he's a really loose peeler) and he might fold a weak T so this is a good spot to place a second barrel. Also, there aren't many draws in his range so it's less likely he wants to c/c again.

On the other hand, same situation but the flop is K-2-4 rainbow and he calls your cbet. The turn is an 8. This is not a good barreling spot cause now pocket pairs are gonna be more stubborn, a King is never folding obviously and it's less likely he peeled the flop with a weak pair cause there's just fewer deuces in preflop calling ranges than any other card. A four might not even fold cause that 8 looks like a pretty safe card.

As for 3rd barreling opportunities: The more draws there are on the board the more likely it is that if you place a second barrel you need to barrel the third time. You do not want to let a small pair that picks up a draw on the turn and check/calls your barrel get a free showdown on the river.

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not sure these are the best examples but they should give you an idea.

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Old 10-25-2010, 03:41 PM   #18
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"This is not a spot where you can bet the turn and then bet the river and expect to get called two more times by a worse hand often."

This is a great description, I haven't really thought about it this way before.

Barreling example is good too. I have been trying to bet more on the turn when the opponent seems weak but I believe I am doing it somewhat randomly. I guess I should think more about possible ranges which I am terrible at.

Thanks for the help!
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:20 AM   #19
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-Raise the button a lot and cbet a lot until your opponent forces you to do otherwise.
-Learn to differentiate between hands that can go for 1, 2 or 3 streets of value.
-Learn to recognize good 2nd and 3rd barreling opportunities.
-Don't play to many hands oop, you make your money on the button.
-Remember, in hu holdem nobody ever has anything on the flop (in general) so the guy who wins most of the pots where both players have nothing is gonna be the winner. In practice that means you should look for every cost-effective opportunity to steal pots, mostly the small-mid sized ones. It does not mean you should have win-every-pot syndrome.
-When facing light 3bettors, minraise so that you can call more and then use your position to beat them. Float flops, bluffraise flops, let them barrel when you flop well etc.
sorry i wasted your time....i was just kidding. i asked the 3 example questions in OP

although, that should be really useful to some people anyway
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:44 PM   #20
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I'm scandi so your humor was lost on me

No biggie, I like to rant about obvious things.
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Old 10-28-2010, 04:04 PM   #21
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Question:

Is stars the only site where rake is capped at 0.5$ ???
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Old 10-30-2010, 06:44 PM   #22
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Any feedback on vids for small stakes HU on cardrunners...thoughts on MX U T and Markuis...thanks
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Old 10-31-2010, 03:29 AM   #23
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Is running 10 buyins below EV in 2000 hands pretty standard in HU or pretty unlucky?
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Old 10-31-2010, 12:22 PM   #24
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Is running 10 buyins below EV in 2000 hands pretty standard in HU or pretty unlucky?
VERY standard
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Old 11-01-2010, 12:34 PM   #25
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what do you think are the pros and cons of HU sngs and HU cash?
when answering think about

- rake
- game structure (cash = 100 bb stacks ; sng 10-100 bb stacks)
- hourly rate
- variance
- fish players pool (hu sng has more or hu cash has more?)
- if the regular 6 max cash player should start HU sng or HU cash first if wanting to venture into the HU world
- And if playing solid is the hourly higher than someone 6 tabling 6 max as opposed to 4 tabling HU?
- As well as anything else that I haven't mentioned and you wish to add/comment.

I have more good questions but I want to have this answered first please and thank you!
Bump.

I'd also like some answers to these questions too!

TIA
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