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08-12-2018 , 03:39 PM
Would you bet QT on this flop? This is heads up.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 62.5 BB
BB: 132.7 BB (VPIP: 93.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T

Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 3 8 6
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets 2.8 BB, BB calls 2.8 BB

River: (9.6 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets 6.9 BB, fold

Hero wins 9.2 BB

I've read Applications by Matt Janda and i'm not entirely sure how to correctly create the right bluff:value ratios here on the flop. How would we begin to define all of the 3x, and 6x? Are they bluffs? Value bets?

I decided that FD and SD combos are really high equity bluffs. So i constructed a range that has ~3:1 bluff-to-value as was said we could do otf, in the book. These includes sets and twopairs, overpairs, A8, K8, 6x, 3x, and all of the draws.

This lets us turn all of our high equity hands OTF into bets, while still letting us checkback some 8x to protect our range. In practice, this seems about right, but when i think about how our range is a bit stronger, it seems correct to be able to add even MORE bluffs, such as overcards. Not betting the QT here seems like you're missing out on a chance to either a)take it away, or b)actualize ~25% equity in many cases.

So as much as i want to keep to this rule, it feels like i can only do so half-heartedly. Even though i'd probably still have trouble against a c/r, villain's not supposed to have it anymore than we do, and it just seems "right" to be able to bet alot more often here.

Are there not spots to bet 100%, even if that makes us bluff-heavy?
Is this one of those spots?
Is this one of those hands?

Edit: Meant to post this in theory, but i suppose this'll do.
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08-12-2018 , 05:52 PM
Pre: buy in full stack
Flop: No, you do not cbet this hand. (You could/should cbet QT with a heart)
Turn,river: standard.

All in all hand play standard.
Widen your cbet with backdoors, not pure overs.
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08-18-2018 , 08:17 PM
Online games are past V:B ratios on the flop. We just approximate solver plays now and a common one of those is "bet every hand small" or "bet good hands 75% and bad hands 50%"


I think the V:B framework is more useful on locked boards (Axx, paired, monotone), and more useful from the turn forward (turn is more locked than flop, river is perfectly locked).
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