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Old 12-16-2009, 06:09 PM   #1
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50NL 100NL 200NL possible hourly win rates?

hi firstly sorry if this is low content or w/e but i wasnt sure if this qualified for a thread of its own or not guessing not but ive started so ill finish.

if your one tabling reg at these stakes what kind of hourly could you expect if your good and exercising discresion with who you play for example

someone told me earlier that they thought that you could only make 10$ per hour at 100nl if you one tabled this sound extremely low to me but w/e

also i get that pt bbs pre 100 is half of how many bbs that you earn ever hundred hands but how many hand is the norm to play in an hour.

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Old 12-16-2009, 06:39 PM   #2
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I think for a good player 2 tabling (sometimes 3 tabling or more vs same oponnentes) a good $/hr on NL 100 is around 60$.

One table I dunno,maybe around 25-30
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:44 PM   #3
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Re: 50NL 100NL 200NL possible hourly win rates?

bb/100 is more interesting.
hourly depends too much on how many tables you play.
i also would like to hear some opinions. not too many data available out there in the web on hu cash winning rates
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:09 PM   #4
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well from what ive seen all this time playing I'd Say. (In BB/100's = PTBB's = 2x bb/100)


10BB/100 + Ive seen some but from very very good players who are also big bum hunters

7BB/100 Its a win rate of the best regs around In general, you gota be a very good player to keep this up in alot of hands

5BB/100 Good Solid Players

3BB-4BB/100 Good Players can achieve this

1-2BB/100 small win rates for HU but still kinda good
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:19 PM   #5
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well from what ive seen all this time playing I'd Say. (In BB/100's = PTBB's = 2x bb/100)


10BB/100 + Ive seen some but from very very good players who are also big bum hunters

7BB/100 Its a win rate of the best regs around In general, you gota be a very good player to keep this up in alot of hands

5BB/100 Good Solid Players

3BB-4BB/100 Good Players can achieve this

1-2BB/100 small win rates for HU but still kinda good
If I had less than 10bb/100 on midlowstakes I would never play HU
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:22 PM   #6
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If I had less than 10bb/100 on midlowstakes I would never play HU

Im sorry I didnt get ur answer. plz explain :S. No native english language. or maybe im just stupid
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:26 PM   #7
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Im sorry I didnt get ur answer. plz explain :S. No native english language. or maybe im just stupid
I said that if my winrate was less than 10bb/100 at those stakes I would never play HU
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:27 PM   #8
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Ok here we go

Why? ....
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Old 12-16-2009, 08:08 PM   #9
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Ok here we go

Why? ....
This is likely because (depending on your personal play style), variance is much, much higher in heads up than in other forms.

Some examples:
Winrate: 5BB/100, StDev = 20BB/100. You're going to book a "winning" 100 hands 59.9% of the time.
Winrate: 2BB/100, StDev = 20BB/100. Winning 100-hand samples happen 54.0% of the time.

In my 6m experience, 20BB/100 is a "normal" deviation. In heads up, this can easily be 60BB/100. Using that number for the examples above, you book winning sessions 53.4% and 51.4%, respectively.

The closer you are to 50%, the more you're gonna want to shoot yourself in the face. It's just a massive toll that's hard to take unless you're very good at tilt control.

By having a winrate of 10BB/100 and a 60BB/100 StDev, you're up to 56.7%, and probably will be a bit more sane.

These numbers will tend away from 50% over larger samples, as your StDev will now be measured over that larger sample and therefore be intrinsically smaller. So if you can tilt free book 1000 hand sessions consistently, this above rambling doesn't apply to you. (1000 hand sample WR of 50BB/1000 with a std dev of, say, 120BB/1000 would give you a winning 1000 hands 66.2% of the time)
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Old 12-16-2009, 08:31 PM   #10
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This is likely because (depending on your personal play style), variance is much, much higher in heads up than in other forms.

Some examples:
Winrate: 5BB/100, StDev = 20BB/100. You're going to book a "winning" 100 hands 59.9% of the time.
Winrate: 2BB/100, StDev = 20BB/100. Winning 100-hand samples happen 54.0% of the time.

In my 6m experience, 20BB/100 is a "normal" deviation. In heads up, this can easily be 60BB/100. Using that number for the examples above, you book winning sessions 53.4% and 51.4%, respectively.

The closer you are to 50%, the more you're gonna want to shoot yourself in the face. It's just a massive toll that's hard to take unless you're very good at tilt control.

By having a winrate of 10BB/100 and a 60BB/100 StDev, you're up to 56.7%, and probably will be a bit more sane.

These numbers will tend away from 50% over larger samples, as your StDev will now be measured over that larger sample and therefore be intrinsically smaller. So if you can tilt free book 1000 hand sessions consistently, this above rambling doesn't apply to you. (1000 hand sample WR of 50BB/1000 with a std dev of, say, 120BB/1000 would give you a winning 1000 hands 66.2% of the time)

A+ post

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Old 12-16-2009, 09:53 PM   #11
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Re: 50NL 100NL 200NL possible hourly win rates?

nice post
what formula do you use to calculate winning % for a set number of hands, given a certain SD and bb/100...?
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:36 AM   #12
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nice post
what formula do you use to calculate winning % for a set number of hands, given a certain SD and bb/100...?
In excel or numbers (I'm a Mac guy), the function is NORMDIST(number,average,stdev,cumulative?). So for this situation, "number" will be 0, 'cause that means you made zero BB/100 and anything under that will be a losing session obv. Avg would be whatever your winrate is (2/5/10/whatever), and std deviation is std deviation. Set cumulative to TRUE and it'll add up everything to that point on the bell curve, which is equal to the frequency you'll have a session at less than 0 bb/100. Whatever's left over is your winning frequency.
=NORMDIST(0,5,60,TRUE)

Statistics don't lie, but statisticians do. You can twist numbers to say pretty much whatever you want.

(If you didn't specify cumulative as TRUE or specified it as FALSE, it will tell you what's the probability you are at exactly 0 bb/100. We don't care about that.)
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:42 AM   #13
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Re: 50NL 100NL 200NL possible hourly win rates?

eh winning sessions aren't normally distributed anyways but whatever i guess it's a decent guess over an infinite sample. tilt is way too big of a factor to say those things for sure though. anyways...i think 10bb/100 is a good winrate if you only play regs and if you bumhunt you should make over double that. winrates at 50nl are probably roughly twice as high as 200nl? just a guess, since the regs are fish and the fish are megafish.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:10 AM   #14
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I avg. around 150 an hour playing hu across those levels.
I 4 table though, and bum hunt somewhat.

def use multiple sites.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:22 AM   #15
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I avg. around 150 an hour playing hu across those levels.
I 4 table though, and bum hunt somewhat.

def use multiple sites.
plz graphs and size sample

that'd be sick win rate
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:43 AM   #16
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thanks jr42
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Old 12-17-2009, 05:45 PM   #17
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plz graphs and size sample

that'd be sick win rate
it's some 400 nl too...and it's assuming u get action which isn't always the case.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:54 PM   #18
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Re: 50NL 100NL 200NL possible hourly win rates?

talkin about ptbb s here?

10ptbb is pretty damn good
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:23 PM   #19
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eh winning sessions aren't normally distributed anyways but whatever i guess it's a decent guess over an infinite sample. tilt is way too big of a factor to say those things for sure though. anyways...i think 10bb/100 is a good winrate if you only play regs and if you bumhunt you should make over double that. winrates at 50nl are probably roughly twice as high as 200nl? just a guess, since the regs are fish and the fish are megafish.
looking at tableratings, it seems like most people who have decent samples of .5/1 and 1/2 usually have better than double the winrate at .5/1.

the best regs i know of at nl100 have winrates of around 8ptbb to 10ptbb. people who do better than that seem to move up. there are some giant bumhunters who achieve better numbers. nl50 you should probably be able to do like 1.5x your winrate at .5/1. (the rake when you play that low starts to really take its toll)

obviously the short answer is "anything positive is a good winrate and no one knows your ability level."
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Old 10-19-2017, 10:13 PM   #20
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hi i know this thread is kinda old but check this out

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/other/winrate/
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I have to chime incuz I feel like it's 2011 reading this. Are you guys serious?? 10bb/100 at hu in today's games? I have to say that's higher than Nuno Alvarez who is a HU RIO pro. I had to switch to huplo because the action on ACR was a horrible reg fest and i found myself battling regs with no integrity who would hnr as soon as they won a bi. So I have to ask where are you playing to hold a 10bb wr at hu today?
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Old 11-17-2017, 10:53 PM   #22
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I have to chime incuz I feel like it's 2011 reading this.
try 2009
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:19 AM   #23
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it's time wh1ter0se builds that time machine
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Old 04-07-2018, 08:25 PM   #24
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What would be achievable in todays games ?
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Old 04-07-2018, 11:21 PM   #25
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This is likely because (depending on your personal play style), variance is much, much higher in heads up than in other forms.

Some examples:
Winrate: 5BB/100, StDev = 20BB/100. You're going to book a "winning" 100 hands 59.9% of the time.
Winrate: 2BB/100, StDev = 20BB/100. Winning 100-hand samples happen 54.0% of the time.

In my 6m experience, 20BB/100 is a "normal" deviation. In heads up, this can easily be 60BB/100. Using that number for the examples above, you book winning sessions 53.4% and 51.4%, respectively.

The closer you are to 50%, the more you're gonna want to shoot yourself in the face. It's just a massive toll that's hard to take unless you're very good at tilt control.

By having a winrate of 10BB/100 and a 60BB/100 StDev, you're up to 56.7%, and probably will be a bit more sane.

These numbers will tend away from 50% over larger samples, as your StDev will now be measured over that larger sample and therefore be intrinsically smaller. So if you can tilt free book 1000 hand sessions consistently, this above rambling doesn't apply to you. (1000 hand sample WR of 50BB/1000 with a std dev of, say, 120BB/1000 would give you a winning 1000 hands 66.2% of the time)
I wish i knew you're maths lol by that i mean im impressed by it
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