What hands should you call 3 bets with OOP?
I am asking because I call with alot of suited connectors (Daniel Negreanu does it?) and loose alot of money, should I fold these hands? Also I see alot of players dont have a premium hand when they three bet. What kindof hands should you call 3bets with? And do you ever 4 bet bluff with like A4s, if you dont have a read? I play zoom only and dont have reads.


Let me also, ask what if we are IP? Ie we get three bet from the blinds

I just started reading hands in this forum so take my advice with a grain of salt.

In fast fold poker I'd play more straight forward as a default. What position did you raise from and what position did the 3bet come from can make a difference. Closer to the button they are more likely to 3bet wider. If you raised from early position they are less likely to be 3betting too light because your range is likely stronger. Stack sizes matter when choosing your action after a 3bet. The deeper the effective stack size is the wider you can call. Your postflop skill level vs your opponents' skill level also matters.

I would find what the population tendencies are, but as a default your ATs-AQs, AQo, 77-JJ and some suited connectors you feel comfortable playing like 87s-KQs. Throw in some suited one-gappers if you're comfortable with them.

It's harder to play OOP and even harder without reads. As a default I'd try to avoid playing 3bet pots OOP as much as possible when you don't have reads.

Everything I mentioned for OOP can be called IP against 3bets from the blinds. You can add some more hands like some suited aces you like such as A3s-A5s and some non-suited Broadways.

The sizing of the 3bet from the blinds matter. The smaller the size the wider you can call. A 3x size I'd probably call with a lot. A 5x+ bet I'm going to tighten up as a default.

Again I would still advise to proceed cautiously as a 3bet from the blinds usually indicates strength. You don't need to, and probably shouldn't, call with all of the hands I mentioned. Choose the ones you feel most comfortable playing postflop. Fold the rest.

Really depends on a lot of factors, but in position I'll generally call most of my pocket pairs (expanding my range down to all pocket pairs if the 3-bet is smaller or we are somewhat deep), all of my suited broadways, and sometimes AQo. I 4-bet A5s-A2s.

Out of position I'm more likely to fold AQo and most of my suited broadways, but I'll continue with, like, 77 or 88+, AQs-ATs, KQs, and then still 4-bet A5s-A2s.

Maybe to expand the discussion -- is there any good advice out there for what we call a squeeze with as the PFR or PFC? I feel like I really overfold in that spot but haven't seen a lot of literature out there that talks about defending vs squeezes.

Yeah I'd like to know the gto 4bet/call/fold ranges against the gto squeeze. I tend to fold alot to the tighter frequency squeezers and trap or 4bet alot against the heavy squeezers, but this thread is about readless fastfold poker and I think you need to know the population tendencies.

Calling connectors you lose lot of money (Daniel Negreanu does it?)
When losing money just dont do it. First of all you open on early-CO position, cut the connectrs you open to 87s+ (76 CO) fold the weaker and sudenly you dont have many connectors to call.
Really there is no reason to defend wide oop and connectors or offsuit AQ- might be the most difficult hands.
Every position is diferent ofc, you should make default calling/4b/f range for UTG to CO. But can use the same range regardles which position 3bets to make it bit easier.

Depends on stack sizes and raise size and direct and implied odds. But almost never should you make this call 100bb deep against just a single player with no reads. No one who does this is profitable at it without some crazy streak in those spots

Readless you should tighten that calling range unless incredibly confident in your ability to assess the flop excellently. I probably wouldn't call 1/3 of that range OOP. ATs oop really? Not good. This is seriously loose readless, and it shouldn't win you money in the long run. Even against a BTN 3 bet if you're in the CO if you have no reads that is literally an auto dump

I think the PP's are fine but I may do 88+, but there is no reason to play a range that far below a random 3 bet range oop. You should be tighter than they will 3 bet and I'm not putting a random on looser than that.

Knowing player tendencies changes everything

Depends on position, but if we're saying we're in the CO facing a BTN 3-bet and you're only continuing with 99+, AK, AQs to a 3-bet, then it equates to you raise/folding over 85% of your opening range which seems really out of line.

Compared to your range, I added 77-88, AJs-ATs, KQs, some combos of AQo, and A5s-A2s for 4-bet bluffing.

I double-checked with PokerSnowie and it calls even wider. Compared to my range. it adds KJs, QJs, JTs, T9s, and the other AQo combos. I feel like that's a little loose but maybe it makes sense when you run into habitual 3-betters. PokerSnowie also 4-bets occasionally with things like KQs, AJs-ATs, and AQo.

I thought I was a nit. My goodness.

MCA, it depends. Readless, I'm calling a bunch of stuff because I'm confident postflop. Specifically in c/o vs btn or sb vs bb, I can't imagine ever in my life folding AQo or something like KJs, 9Ts, and many more hands that it looks like a few people ditch.

My overall fold to 3b is something like 65% fwiw.

... dont wanna play vs u...

I said I was a nit
Correct in my passive (anon) games imo

For fast fold poker or readless poker only right? That would be really bad and super exploitable in 100bb cash games unless you play with a ton of 3bet nits.

If I'm utg and get squeezed from the blinds, I'm not going to flat a lot of my range because anyone behind me is going to call with whatever. We then are at a range disadvantage to the squeezer in a bloated pot playing monkey in the middle where we are going to have a hard time folding if we catch any piece of the flop, thus losing money in the long run. I also overfold (hands I normally flat HU) in that scenario, like JbJ and just wait for a better spot.

CO vs BTN I think it's standard to flat 77-TT, T9s+, most suited broadways and A's depending on the sizing.

IP and HU facing a 3b I'm playing a bit more of my opening range.

Readless yes. My game opens up with experience with the players. I think that is by far the optimal approach. Playing an exploitative style is by far the most profitable at the this level. It always has been. I don't play 100nl though so I'd imagine it changes a little there. Seems to be a lot more serious people at that level.

Call w A4s 4bet/fold w KQo

should I fold these hands? > Yep

glgl

Why play so high variance in a read less zoom game? Sounds really bad

I especially do not recommend this for players who aren't very confident in their ability to play post flop because it opens up a lot of room for error, which leads towards bad play and a worse mindset.

ok cool

so call ATs+ and 4b with AA and KK?

glgl

First assign a 3b range for the person you're facing.