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Old 09-30-2016, 09:25 AM   #1
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Taxes on poker in Holland

Hi,

Am considering a move to Amsterdam. From what I'm able to find online, it seems there is no taxation on poker winnings for residents in Holland, so long as the online room or even live trny is in an EU country.

Can anyone confirm or expand on this?

Thanks

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Old 10-05-2016, 11:30 AM   #2
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Re: Taxation on poker in Holland

This old thread may not be great news. Seems to be a bit more complicated.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...lands-1477816/

This is a bit more hopeful but again it seems to be complicated

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...lands-1258334/
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Old 10-05-2016, 02:20 PM   #3
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Re: Taxation on poker in Holland

Live poker, yes. Assuming you are tax eligible in the Netherlands of course. All money won in casino's within the EU is taxfree. Some jackpots and lotteries may be the exception to that rule. Read your ToS before playing

Online poker is a lot harder to determine. In june the dutch tax agency published a list of poker sites that, for the time being, are considered taxfree. Before you ask, Pokerstars isn't one of them.

You can find the list here, in dutch: https://nl.pokernews.com/nieuws/2016...unie-24981.htm

This doesn't apply to sites located outside of the EU and they are therefore tax eligible (you can deduct some of your losses, though).
However, whether some sites are in or out of the EU is highly debated, particular in the case of Pokerstars. Most tax lawyers i've heard about the case seem to be of the opinion Stars should be taxfree also. Please note that several legal cases on this matter are ongoing and this list may change.

Honestly, if you are planning to play a significant volume online, you might want to have a talk with an actual tax lawyer first.

EDIT: You will have to pay 1.2% property taxes on everything you own over 20k euros, which includes poker winnings.

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Old 12-15-2016, 09:43 AM   #4
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poker taxes in Holland

Hi!

I'm looking to move in January to Holland but i don't find 100% confirmed information on how taxation works for pro poker players.

After this (https://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/...alta-23511.htm) it seems that the winnings derived from the online gambling are tax free. Anyone who currently resides on Holland can confirm this?

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Old 12-22-2016, 10:06 AM   #5
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

I live in the Netherlands, play poker online on various sites and don't pay taxes over any of my (albeit meager) winnings.
Disclaimer: I am not a tax expert, Dutch tax legislation on this subject is vague at best, and if you are a pro poker player planning on moving here you should definitely consult a local tax lawyer before doing so.

Anyway, the way i understand it is that, officially, all winnings from online casino's within the EU are tax free. However, there is some discussion about which sites are within the EU. In june, the dutch tax agency released a list of sites they consider within the EU. You can find a copy of that list here: https://nl.pokernews.com/nieuws/2016...unie-24981.htm (in dutch).

For instance Pokerstars.eu isn't on that list and the dutch TA expects you to pay taxes over your winnings there. However you can appeal to this and there is significant precedent (see the link you posted) that those appeals would be succesful.
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Old 12-23-2016, 01:46 AM   #6
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

I am not aware that there are any national taxes, that as so might indicate that there are no EU-taxes either. In Finland the Malta licensed sites like Pokerstars.eu are tax free in spite of the servers possibly being elsewhere.
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Old 12-23-2016, 02:27 AM   #7
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

The pros in Finland seem to file taxes, but I didn't look if they paid taxes. But the general knowledge we have states that there are no taxes. But I think the trick in many countries is that the pros (after two years or whatever) pay taxes.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:33 AM   #8
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

Does anyone have more information on this? Do you have to pay taxes on poker winnings in the netherlands?
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Old 03-26-2017, 11:08 PM   #9
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

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Old 05-15-2017, 11:17 PM   #10
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

yes bump please.

bc of family im going to move in the next months in the vicinity of netherlands/belgium and if for tax reasons they do not make sense the uk. i very much prefer the netherlands and id like to have some info on that. im a pro and im a eu citizen.
i realize that this information cost money and i dont expect full answers here; unfortunately i do not speak dutch. if anyone could name me some dutch law firms that i could contact or give me some information about taxes id be super happy. just pm me or reply here.

thanks a lot.
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Old 06-01-2017, 10:06 AM   #11
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

Hi.

I was doing research on poker taxes in the Netherlands and it's basically still a grey area and moving slowly. I got all of my info from here basically, google translated - https://nl.pokernews.com/nieuws/poker-wet/ . "poker and the law" section of dutch poker news. The dude that may help you is this one - http://www.leheux.com/ . I haven't spoken to him but he probably understands the situation better than anyone and I saw a lot of interviews with him. As far as I understand, he has argued in Dutch courts (and successfully) that those taxes on sites that operate within the EU, are contradictory to some EU regulations. So if the sites headquarters are inside EU (I think) you don't pay winnings there. This is a list of sites that are thought to be either inside or outside EU. There is a disagreement between dutch tax authority and poker player representatives, whether pokerstars.eu is inside EU or Not. Tax authorites are arguing they are in Gilbatar, therefore outside EU and u have to pay the 30% monthly tax (I think). Poker representatives argue they've been in Malta since 2012, so any winnings won on pokerstars after 2012 are tax free. This is an overview of which sites are inside the EU and therefore (I think) tax free, and if they're outside the EU, you do pay the taxes on winnings - https://nl.pokernews.com/nieuws/2016...unie-24981.htm

I used "I think" a lot because the situation is complicated and I might be wrong and I don't speak dutch. If you find something else, reply here please. Especially whether you need to declare winnings from european tax free sites or not
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:39 AM   #12
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

Gibraltar will be a new problem as far as taxes will go inside the EU or so.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:54 AM   #13
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Re: Taxation on poker in Holland

Hello,

I'm a spaniard living in Holland since last year and I went to Vegas during my holidays and I cashed in a couple of tourneys for >$30k

I was wondering whether that is taxable or not.

Thanks.
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Old 07-14-2017, 01:18 AM   #14
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Re: Taxation on poker in Holland

^Yes. If you are tax eligible in the Netherlands, you have to pay 29% tax on all money won in casino's outside of the EU.


3 important things:
- You are responsible for submitting the game-of-chance-tax (kansspelbelasting) form yourself, separate from the standard yearly tax forms. This form is downloadable from here: https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/w...ndse_kanspelen
- The form has to be submitted and the taxes paid during the same month that you won the money.
- You are allowed to deduct your buyins, obv.

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Old 03-28-2018, 05:28 AM   #15
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

Does anyone have recent knowledge about this? Is it really the case that if one plays on a site that is considered inside the EU, no winnings are subject to taxation?
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Old 03-28-2018, 12:29 PM   #16
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

^Yes, that is the case.

As far as recent developments, Karedog's post is still mostly accurate, however, dutch poker players and the dutch tax agency will go back to court shortly about which sites are technically within the EU.
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:39 AM   #17
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

Quote:
Originally Posted by Viral25 View Post
^Yes, that is the case.

As far as recent developments, Karedog's post is still mostly accurate, however, dutch poker players and the dutch tax agency will go back to court shortly about which sites are technically within the EU.
Excellent, thank you very much for your answer! Ill keep an eye out for that court decision then
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Old 04-01-2018, 02:01 PM   #18
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

Isn't (the) Netherlands getting regulated in June or so? After the EU and other play will depend on laws and sites. And the case that went to court means that there is a tax for poker hidden somewhere?
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Old 04-12-2018, 10:21 AM   #19
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

Bump.
Has anything changed recently since Winamax decided to close the Dutch accounts?
Will other sites close Dutch accounts too?
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:51 PM   #20
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Re: Online poker taxes in Holland

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Old 12-06-2018, 02:48 PM   #21
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no pokerplayer in holland? it is still free on.eu site? ty
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:54 PM   #22
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bump please!
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