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Old 08-08-2012, 12:42 PM   #26
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Re: It's on! NCAA, MLB, NBA, NFL & NHL file suit against New Jersey

Did any of these organizations sue vegas for offering sports betting?
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:56 PM   #27
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Did any of these organizations sue vegas for offering sports betting?
Nevada was grandfathered in when prohibition passed. They are not in violation of federal law.
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Old 08-08-2012, 03:48 PM   #28
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They want their cut obviously. These guys are just way too greedy.
Who wants their cut? The sports leagues? I can't see them ever directly taking money from a regime that bets on their games. Besides they will make tons from more people watching more.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:50 PM   #29
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They are making money from their product, I'm sure they want their cut. Otherwise why would they care? And just because they will make more from people watching more doesn't mean they don't want to make even more than that.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:49 PM   #30
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Can someone explain to me why the sports leagues are the ones suing NJ rather than the Feds suing NJ?
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:35 PM   #31
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Can someone explain to me why the sports leagues are the ones suing NJ rather than the Feds suing NJ?
the leagues feel that, in order to keep the games 'honest', they need to eradicate all sports betting. you see, when you have people with big money running on a game, a black market opens up in bribing and/or threatening players to play worse sometimes (this was called point shaving). organized crime has historically filled this black market associated with sports betting.

now, it's clear to everyone that nobody could pay Jeter an amount of money that's worth him jeopardizing a 16m/yr contract, but some guys in the major leagues are getting paid less than 6 figs, and this kind of bribery could become a threat to the integrity of the games, if there was a sudden increase in sports betting.

so if sports betting blows up, the risk of point shaving becomes real and the team owners and the league commissioners will have to make the decision to pay the lowest-paid team members enough money to keep them honest, as well as setting up procedures for investigating point shaving. all this will cost money that they'd rather hoard for themselves, and that's why they're lobbying against it and filing this lawsuit, so a handful of guys can hold onto more of that precious precious money.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:39 PM   #32
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Because they think if sports betting is legal, then it will corrupt the games. They obviously ignore the fact that banning something does not equate to eliminating it from the face of the planet...or that if it was universally legal, then catching game fixers would be much easier.

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Old 08-08-2012, 07:41 PM   #33
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They are making money from their product, I'm sure they want their cut. Otherwise why would they care? And just because they will make more from people watching more doesn't mean they don't want to make even more than that.
So do they get a cut now from Nevada? or Delaware?

They care because gambling on sports has been the cause of many sport scandals. If they just want their cut, they would support sports betting, not fight it tooth and nail like they have for decades.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:01 PM   #34
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now, it's clear to everyone that nobody could pay Jeter an amount of money that's worth him jeopardizing a 16m/yr contract, but some guys in the major leagues are getting paid less than 6 figs.
Pretty sure the league minimum in mlb is 6 figures....and well into it, I want to say it is close to 400k. I have few friends that are/were in the bigs.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:19 PM   #35
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Pretty sure the league minimum in mlb is 6 figures....and well into it, I want to say it is close to 400k. I have few friends that are/were in the bigs.
~3k a game. Not everyone gets called up for the entire year though.
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Pretty sure the league minimum in mlb is 6 figures....and well into it, I want to say it is close to 400k. I have few friends that are/were in the bigs.
i meant 'leagues' to include the NBA and NFL. every sport would have to implement or raise minimum salaries.
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:38 PM   #37
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~3k a game. Not everyone gets called up for the entire year though.
My last statement I am more confident in.....that being said, I am pretty sure when a player gets moved up to the bigs, they don't get paid on a per game basis, they have to sign a major league contract, the minimum amount of time on that contact I am not sure of, but pretty confident it is not a per game basis and I want to say it is on the rest of the season basis.....if not longer (one year from signing).

Of course this varies widely in how good a certain player's agent is. But it is pretty common for AAA and AA players to be on major league contracts. Otherwise, they (the minor league players) make next to nothing and the best players are living off their signing bonus from the draft.

But then again I could just be talking out of my ass...... carry on....go NJ!
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:30 AM   #38
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My last statement I am more confident in.....that being said, I am pretty sure when a player gets moved up to the bigs, they don't get paid on a per game basis, they have to sign a major league contract, the minimum amount of time on that contact I am not sure of, but pretty confident it is not a per game basis and I want to say it is on the rest of the season basis.....if not longer (one year from signing).

Of course this varies widely in how good a certain player's agent is. But it is pretty common for AAA and AA players to be on major league contracts. Otherwise, they (the minor league players) make next to nothing and the best players are living off their signing bonus from the draft.

But then again I could just be talking out of my ass...... carry on....go NJ!
Players on the 40 man roster with less than 3 years service typically get paid the MLB minimum when they are on the 25 man roster or MLB DL. If they get sent back to the minors, they get way less than the MLB minimum, but more than if they weren't on the 40 man roster.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:58 AM   #39
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Re: It's on! NCAA, MLB, NBA, NFL & NHL file suit against New Jersey

Lesniak: look for NJ casino/track sports betting this fall [northjersey.com]
“Also, the NFL has irreparably hurt its own argument by having NFL teams play at Wembley Stadium in London since 2007, where bets were being placed right across from the stadium and throughout Europe. Likewise, the NBA held its annual All-Star Game in Las Vegas in 2007, a gaming jurisdiction that is legally authorized to take sports wagers under the federal ban. The NBA and Major League Baseball have also sponsored games overseas involving their players – many of which took place in countries that allow for the legal wagering on sporting events.
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“Game, set and match: no injunction. I can’t wait until the Giants play the Eagles so I can place a bet on the Giants, regardless of the spread.”
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:35 AM   #40
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Re: It's on! NCAA, MLB, NBA, NFL & NHL file suit against New Jersey

Why don't they put a 10k cap on sports betting per team. This erases the chance to cheat and lets the every day joe watch more games and bet when they want.
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:49 AM   #41
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Re: It's on! NCAA, MLB, NBA, NFL & NHL file suit against New Jersey

The concern of the leagues could easy be avoided by simply putting the heftiest fines on folks that cheat.

Like throwing a player in jail for bunch a years and excluding them from any sport league membership and salaries.
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:44 AM   #42
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The concern of the leagues could easy be avoided by simply putting the heftiest fines on folks that cheat.

Like throwing a player in jail for bunch a years and excluding them from any sport league membership and salaries.
Any player/official that fixes a game would at the very least get blackbooked. Shoeless Joe Jackson was found out to be innocent, but nearly 100 years later he is still ineligible for the HoF. Pete Rose bet on games as a manager, and he isn't ever getting into the HoF as the all time hits leader.

I'd guess that it would be illegal already. I know Tim Donaghy went to jail and will be in debt for the rest of his life because of fines, but hat might just have been for illegal gambling. If it was regulated universally, there is no way it wouldn't be highly illegal.
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I hear outspoken NJ state Sen Ray Lesniak has a spot on Fox Business Network today at 12:20 pm ET, discussing sports betting
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Old 08-09-2012, 11:43 AM   #44
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So do they get a cut now from Nevada? or Delaware?

They care because gambling on sports has been the cause of many sport scandals. If they just want their cut, they would support sports betting, not fight it tooth and nail like they have for decades.
The NFL gets a huge amount of revenue from licensing fantasy sports data and images.

They prohibited 'Las Vegas" ads running nationally during the Super Bowl.

They fought against Delaware, actually arguing that sports betting is a "game of skill", not a game that relied on chance.
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The NFL gets a huge amount of revenue from licensing fantasy sports data and images.

They prohibited 'Las Vegas" ads running nationally during the Super Bowl.

They fought against Delaware, actually arguing that sports betting is a "game of skill", not a game that relied on chance.
Additionally, it was back around 1999-2001 time frame when Murdoch owned the Dodgers he had licensed the logo to online sportsbook in I believe England in exchange for stock, the Feds did not approve of this and he later made some kinda deal over that.

Been a long time now and sketchy on the details from memory, there was a story back when on I think EOG or Major Wager about it around the time of UIGEA passage.

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Old 08-09-2012, 02:29 PM   #46
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The NFL gets a huge amount of revenue from licensing fantasy sports data and images.

They prohibited 'Las Vegas" ads running nationally during the Super Bowl.

They fought against Delaware, actually arguing that sports betting is a "game of skill", not a game that relied on chance.
Thanks for the information, but I am not sure the point you are making?

If the sports league took a cut from a sports betting regime, then they would benefit directly from the betting. You don't see a problem with that?

Every time the money would come in heavy on one side, but the result - the other side, or an injured player unexpected plays and plays well, etc., the sports league would be suspected by many of something shady. I just can not see that happening, you can?
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:38 PM   #47
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Why don't they put a 10k cap on sports betting per team. This erases the chance to cheat and lets the every day joe watch more games and bet when they want.
the government would never allow such an infringement onto the rights of the superrich.

to mitt romney, this sized bet is so small he feels it's socially acceptable to let millions of people see him making friendly wagers that size.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:50 PM   #48
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Wow, Lesniak is a superhero. Didn't know much about him but his soundbytes are awesome and it's apparent he's done his homework and is ready to go to war over this.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:00 AM   #49
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the government would never allow such an infringement onto the rights of the superrich.

to mitt romney, this sized bet is so small he feels it's socially acceptable to let millions of people see him making friendly wagers that size.
funny how this guy is the best the gop could come up with. the guy has no chance of winning, sure americans are dumb, but even dumb people can see mitt is a grade a douche.
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hey, if america wasn't filled with gullible buffoons, i wouldn't be this excited about federally regulated online poker!

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