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Thread has gone off the rails. This is a matter of law.

Did NJ figure out a clever "end run" around PASPA? Or is this latest law a clear violation of PASPA as the leagues maintain.

All this other stuff. UK. Fantasy sports. Existence of illegal sports betting. Irrelevant. This is a matter of law.

NJ is probably going to lose in court. Legalized sports betting is not doomed forever. But PASPA must be repealed in part or whole for this to happen.

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11-21-2014 , 10:55 PM

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As expected, NJ lost.

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/...ing-new-jersey

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11-22-2014 , 01:07 PM

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the judge is the brother of a former NFL player no surprise there

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11-22-2014 , 02:49 PM

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the judge is the brother of a former NFL player no surprise there

People who don't like this decision keep on trying to make a point about this, but it feels like a really weak conflict of interest argument. In any event, NJ really had no shot at this level. They have a slightly better shot at the appeal.

Anyone know what the line is?

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11-26-2014 , 11:36 AM

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Here's a link to crAAker's analysis.

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08-25-2015 , 12:22 PM

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Bump. NJ stirkes out yet again. This does not bode well. http://blog.northjersey.com/meadowla...ports-betting/

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08-25-2015 , 07:21 PM

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Bump. NJ stirkes out yet again. This does not bode well. http://blog.northjersey.com/meadowla...ports-betting/

Not necessarily as bad as one might think.

Should Governor Christie eventually abandon his quest for the 2016 brass ring and attend to New Jersey's interests in revitalizing gaming, this saga may take a surprising turn:

There was an interesting observation from the Court opinion; let’s see what, if anything, NJ does with it:

"We agree that, had the 2014 Law repealed all prohibitions on sports gambling, we would be hard-pressed, given Christie I, to find an “authorizing by law” in violation of PASPA. But that is not what occurred here."

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08-25-2015 , 09:49 PM

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Repealing all prohibitions basically means anyone could make book. Also, it is hard to see how NJ would enforce an age limit with no prohibitions.

Obviously NJ is not going that route.

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08-25-2015 , 10:25 PM

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Repealing all prohibitions basically means anyone could make book. Also, it is hard to see how NJ would enforce an age limit with no prohibitions.

Obviously NJ is not going that route.

I think an age limit of 18 would be enforceable. Gambling bets are just a version of contract, and the law generally holds minors lack capacity to enter into contracts.

The tougher issues would be restrictions as to location and qualifications. Nobody wants a sports book next to a school or church. Nobody wants someone with organized crime connections running the neighborhood sports book. And the accounting / money laundering implications of unregulated gambling are concerning. But not sure how far a state could go in regulating those issues without running afoul of PASPA as interpreted by the Third Circuit.

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08-25-2015 , 10:34 PM

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I don't think NJ would be comfortable in allowing 18 to 20 year olds involved in any kind of gambling. And they couldn't even get into the casino to get to the sports book.

But this is all moot. The time is ripe to repeal PASPA. Whatever sense it made in 1992 no longer applies today. This is the way to go.

All Christie and the rest of the clowns did was to waste the court's time and the tax payer's money.

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08-25-2015 , 10:45 PM

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I don't think repealing PASPA will ever happen in any of our lifetimes. My local congress Frank LoBiondo is for drafting legislation that will allow NJ to have sports betting. Also, I think it would open the door to other states considering sports betting to pass such legislation within a certain time window. Considering the topic of sports betting on Congress's "to-do" list is low priority much less repealing PASPA.

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08-26-2015 , 07:05 AM

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Bump. NJ stirkes out yet again. This does not bode well. http://blog.northjersey.com/meadowla...ports-betting/

Interesting read.

Further complicating matters, Judge Julio Fuentes – who wrote the majority opinion two years ago upholding the ban – this time was the dissenter.

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09-01-2015 , 12:26 PM

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34. Plaintiffs' reputation and goodwill will be irreparably damaged if the violations alleged herein are not preliminarily and permanently enjoined, including but not limited to the fact that the proliferation of sports gambling will adversely affect the way the public views amateur and professional sports.

But, holding raffles in sports venues DURING games? Not a problem...

Pro teams push California to offer high-stakes raffles [thebusinessjournal.com]

California's major league sports clubs and a leading raffle vendor are lobbying state lawmakers for the exclusive right to conduct charitable gambling at professional sports venues to sell raffle tickets that pay out half the proceeds as prize money and send the other half to charities of their choice. It would apply to 18 professional sports teams, 23 minor league teams and at several golf and racing events in the state.

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Texas voters will decide in November on changing their state constitution to let teams such as the Dallas Cowboys hold raffles at games.

(emphasis added)

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09-01-2015 , 09:53 PM

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34. Plaintiffs' reputation and goodwill will be irreparably damaged if the violations alleged herein are not preliminarily and permanently enjoined, including but not limited to the fact that the proliferation of sports gambling will adversely affect the way the public views amateur and professional sports.

But, holding raffles in sports venues DURING games? Not a problem...

Pro teams push California to offer high-stakes raffles [thebusinessjournal.com]

California's major league sports clubs and a leading raffle vendor are lobbying state lawmakers for the exclusive right to conduct charitable gambling at professional sports venues to sell raffle tickets that pay out half the proceeds as prize money and send the other half to charities of their choice. It would apply to 18 professional sports teams, 23 minor league teams and at several golf and racing events in the state.

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Texas voters will decide in November on changing their state constitution to let teams such as the Dallas Cowboys hold raffles at games.

(emphasis added)

This sounds linke a homespun concoction. Are any of the leagues behind this?

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10-03-2015 , 10:26 AM

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Former NBA commissioner: Time has come for legal sports betting [northjersey.com]

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“The only thing that makes sense for professional sports is to have federal legislation and regulation,” said Stern, who served as NBA commissioner from 1984 to 2014. “If it’s subject to 50 individual states, you have every state representative who thinks he has a perfect idea — that’s problematic.”

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In 2012, Stern gave a deposition in the leagues’ sports betting lawsuit against the state. In that deposition, he said that the state’s efforts to legalize sports betting were “ham-handed,” adding that such legalization would “cause people to bet their grocery money on gambling.”

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08-10-2016 , 08:49 AM

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N.J. loses again in quest to bring sports betting to state [nj.com]

..."Absent the 2014 law, New Jersey's myriad laws prohibiting sports gambling would apply to the casinos and racetracks," Judge Marjorie Rendell said in the 10-2 opinion of the court. "Thus, the 2014 law provides the authorization for conduct that is otherwise clearly and completely legally prohibited."...

...State Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union), the New Jersey lawmaker who has led the push for sports betting, said he expected the state to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the case.

"It's a long shot," Lesniak said. "But we can't give up now. We have to keep fighting until it's over, and it's not over."...

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05-14-2018 , 10:23 AM

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New Jersey Finally Wins. PASPA has been struck down by SCOTUS.

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05-14-2018 , 11:22 AM

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Great day for poker too

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05-14-2018 , 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CohibaBehike

New Jersey Finally Wins. PASPA has been struck down by SCOTUS.

And if you are only going to win ONE round, THAT is the round you want to win...

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05-14-2018 , 12:38 PM

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Before today were professional leagues getting a cut of the money in Nevada?

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05-14-2018 , 02:20 PM

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Before today were professional leagues getting a cut of the money in Nevada?

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05-14-2018 , 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LastLife

Great day for poker too

How so?

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05-15-2018 , 09:12 AM

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Great day for poker too

I'm really looking for someone to explain how this does diddly squat for online poker

As far as I can tell, it just makes poker that much more unimportant to the casino industry

Online sports betting will still violate The Wire Act, I don't see how the elimination of PASPA does anything for the online realm. It opens opportunities for B&M for sure, new revenue streams will open up.

But I can't see how it moves the needle at all for online poker

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05-15-2018 , 09:25 AM

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I mean it's pretty obvious not sure how you guys are not seeing the indirect benefits.

States had very little incentive or demand from constituents to legislate online poker by itself. Also, the revenue was too small to justify a framework.

But sports wagering is obviously a game changer in terms of revenue and interest from constituents and it would be logical that states add it on to their online gambling or sports wagering legislation... you know like how three states have done so already, and New York has stated its intention to do so if PASPA was repealed.