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Old 10-22-2013, 02:36 AM   #526
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California a year for sure, hopefully not much more, optimistic goal maybe 30% chance of happening .. Jan 14 pass bill, Feb 14 sign bill, cards in air very late 14 or early 15. Go go go and I'll throw a one time baby in there for good luck.
I just wanna guambleeee like now that's too longgggg omggg
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:30 PM   #527
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any update on our chances in California?
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:32 PM   #528
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any update on our chances in California?
Have you read this? http://www.bluff.com/legal-poker/california/

They will begin again on the bill in January of 2014. So HOPEFULLY by the end of next year, we will see some sort of legalization passed in CA! HOPING!
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:11 PM   #529
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my god, it just drags on. Thank you for the update, I went from knowing everything to now I don't even follow poker news anymore, I don't even know who won the last WSOP!
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:08 AM   #530
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I just wanna guambleeee like tonight that's too longgggg omggg
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:44 AM   #531
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my god, it just drags on. Thank you for the update, I went from knowing everything to now I don't even follow poker news anymore, I don't even know who won the last WSOP!
In all fairness, it doesn't matter that much.
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:06 AM   #532
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Re: California Senate leader co-sponsors Internet gambling bill

http://calvinayre.com/2013/12/03/bus...view-bl-video/

New video in an interview with @victorroacha1 and @rebeccaliggero . Victor is one of the more knowledgeable people regarding ca gaming. Good interview where victor talks about current status of ca online gaming.
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:25 AM   #533
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The video isn't working for me. Cliffs plz
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:27 PM   #534
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The video isn't working for me. Cliffs plz
Governor has said for sure he will sign a bill. The tribes have a bill and Rod Wright ( dem. Senator) has a bill. They need to get parties together and hash out any differences. Tribes are more interested in compacting with Europe instead of Nevada because Europe has the expertise and tribes want to do is right the first time. 2014 is the year it will happen.

Paraphrase of the Pechanga.net man
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:29 AM   #535
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So there is a chance that we are going to get to play with the European pool?

Also how big do you think the player pool will be?

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Old 12-06-2013, 01:02 PM   #536
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If we combine with Europe, the player pool will be quite large. I expect much much larger than what Nevada and NJ have right now. The only issue and what I am torn on is..will Europe players play on a US site? or are they talking about linking up with Europe and allowing us to play on Euro sites while the US facing portion processes the payments..
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:55 PM   #537
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^^^ please who cares you have lots of legal rights if offered above board in CA. Taxes etc. TBD. The day all that happens though out of the box is when the Replications take over the legislator and governor of CA and declare no income tax in CA. It isn't going to happen. CA can support plenty of poker .. NJ is putting up 1K players in a week or two. CA can put up 3K players in a week or two and dominate the US market.

I just can't see all the issues with Euro play, (server locations, rake, taxes) just to name the top couple of items. Lets get real, pass a bill, set a time limit (same as NJ to go live). Write the regs and get cards in the air. I hope we can get a hearing in Jan, and out of committee ... then things are rolling if it isn't brought up we know its wait to after the election.
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:06 PM   #538
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Saw video through now, more good news if the big tribes can pull along the small tribes, the tracks (Santa Anita in Sou Cal really) bow out and I think CA legislation is right there. Brown will sign, just has to happen early it would seem to keep it out of late session goofy budget etc.

Then it is time to sweat the regs .. seems like a good time for the "ONE TIME NOW". Also a good test of Sheldon Adelson power in states. Money talks in CA Politics but Republicans are only small players.

Can he rally nanny state reps with conservative republicans to block a big tribal gaming push. Once CA passes, I can't see Fed action really happening at least to block some part of IGaming.
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:50 PM   #539
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^^^ please who cares you have lots of legal rights if offered above board in CA. Taxes etc. TBD. The day all that happens though out of the box is when the Replications take over the legislator and governor of CA and declare no income tax in CA. It isn't going to happen. CA can support plenty of poker .. NJ is putting up 1K players in a week or two. CA can put up 3K players in a week or two and dominate the US market.

I just can't see all the issues with Euro play, (server locations, rake, taxes) just to name the top couple of items. Lets get real, pass a bill, set a time limit (same as NJ to go live). Write the regs and get cards in the air. I hope we can get a hearing in Jan, and out of committee ... then things are rolling if it isn't brought up we know its wait to after the election.
Please, who cares what?

I was just asking some questions and you did nothing to answer them.

Also, what issue? I have no issue.
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Old 12-06-2013, 04:18 PM   #540
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Please, who cares what?

I was just asking some questions and you did nothing to answer them.

Also, what issue? I have no issue.
Sorry my mistake, CA will not be combining with EU player pool anytime in several years, if ever.

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Europe players play on a US site? or are they talking about linking up with Europe and allowing us to play on Euro sites while the US facing portion processes the payments..
All current sites have state located player pools and geolocation. I can't see California having anything else. It can be tough to keep other states out if you don't geo locate. Regulating with Euro sites France,Spain,Italy is out of question as they are trying to pool at some point.

England, Germany maybe, but CA will want the servers in California .. and that is not going to work with the existing sites. Finally, in CA bills they have tough bad actor clauses.

What the video was really talking about is not allowing EU players in the pool, but having EU companies as partners with the tribes to set up software and poker implementations. Not having Ultimate gaming or other NV casinos, regulating/running CA sites. Nevada and the tribes in CA do not have good relations and are in heavy competition for the gaming public.

Finally, I think he talks about tribal/tribal compacts, but that law is beyond me.

Remember the tribes want to have the major interest in the games, no tracks and only limited Card clubs because they must. Letting EU gaming companies run the show is not in the cards.
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:12 PM   #541
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Combining with the European player pool would be pretty terrible for CA players, so I hope you're right Dmyers.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:22 AM   #542
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Combining with the European player pool would be pretty terrible for CA players, so I hope you're right Dmyers.
In what way(s)?
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:05 PM   #543
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all the euro donks are broke thats why. why would we ever in a trillion years share our biggest fish pool(california) with the all the euro pros? they been crushing there donks for years and now we should just let them come crush ours too?
americans only for at least 5 years please
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Old 12-07-2013, 05:13 PM   #544
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In what way(s)?
Primarily due to allowing a massive influx of grinders with relatively little casual players to compensate. It's hard to quantify the exact proportion of skilled player to casual player that a US state or nationwide system would have, but whatever it is, the ratio would only be diluted into a less favorable one by the inclusion of ROW.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:43 PM   #545
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Victor was talking about partnering for software/consulting reasons. Why partner with nevada operators for software when they don't have tons of exp, that's why its a good decision to partner with euro sites that have already been in the game for awhile.Victor has emphasized that cali does not want to pool players. No need to in his opinion
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:06 PM   #546
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Primarily due to allowing a massive influx of grinders with relatively little casual players to compensate. It's hard to quantify the exact proportion of skilled player to casual player that a US state or nationwide system would have, but whatever it is, the ratio would only be diluted into a less favorable one by the inclusion of ROW.
What is this based on?
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Old 12-10-2013, 05:25 PM   #547
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Experience with the games before and after the removal of the US pool.
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:22 AM   #548
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Any news?
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:02 PM   #549
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By the end of the year, an American Indian tribe in rural California, the Alturas Indian Rancheria Tribe, expects to launch the country's first tribal online gambling effort.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...bling/3986473/
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:07 PM   #550
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This has nothing to do with online poker in CA. If it ever comes to pass, it would allow people on tribal gaming facilities to pool across the country - but people would have to be on tribal land to play.
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