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Old 07-28-2010, 03:47 PM   #551
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

King was listed on the bill introduction fwiw.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:48 PM   #552
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:49 PM   #553
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Can we get an official list of yay's and nay's to show a strong outpouring of support and resistance from those who voted yay and nay respectively?
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:50 PM   #554
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

When will an updated amended version of the bill be available to look at? I want to read it to make sure they didn't screw it up
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:50 PM   #555
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King voted Ay...It would be foolish to let this momentum die...We really need to push for it this year b4 the november elections...Who is from Minnesota here???Bachman is a fool and a lier...She claims to be a tea party supporter for individual liberties and here she is upholding a uigea that essentially does exactly that...What a blowhard....I couldn't b more disgusted...

Michael of NJ
I agree. I am very disappointed to hear a Tea Party leader argue against individual freedom and in favor of any government prohibition. She's just another ruling class politician.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:50 PM   #556
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I think Bachus leading the opposition helps our cause. He came across as santimonous and incapable of compromise or reason. It's hard to ally with the repeated "save the children" diatribe. He keeps pointing out statistical outliers referencing some minor having "gambled online". Well hell, why don't we ban alcohol since we know we can't prevent 100% of minors from drinking?

Bachus et al. used these scare tactics to ram thru the UIGEA to a very uninformed congress. Now it appears the shoe is on the other foot.

Well done. I hope this bill becomes law. We have a president that will most certainly sign it. They key is the Senate and the fear monger/nannystaters over there - namely Senator Kyl.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:50 PM   #557
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I need to know how Peter King voted. I lambasted him over UIGEA and he committed to me that he would work to rectify his mistake.
He voted for it. He cosponsored it, in fact. He's been a great ally ever since UIGEA passed.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:50 PM   #558
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Any estimation on when the bill may be introduced to the main house?

Also we should get a good digg link to the front page. With this many people, we can keep it bumped for a while.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:51 PM   #559
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Amendments and votes should be posted on the House Financial Services Committee site by sometime tomorrow, at:
http://financialservices.house.gov/H...px?NewsID=1340
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:53 PM   #560
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U mean 2 tell me the DOJ came after U? How do u know they gave the doj ur history???They haven't come 2 me 2 declare any money or pay any taxes...

Michael of NJ

It was part of their agreement to save thier butt. You didn't know this? Neteller said it themselves.

http://www.cappersmall.com/betting/a...eller4982.html

"On July 18th, 2007 Neteller announced they entered into a Deferred Prosecution Agreement (“DPA”) with the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York (“USAO”). "Pursuant to the DPA, the Company has consented to the filing of a criminal information relating to transactions between Internet gambling merchants and persons located in the United States."
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:53 PM   #561
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I agree. I am very disappointed to hear a Tea Party leader argue against individual freedom and in favor of any government prohibition. She's just another ruling class politician.
Listen - if you can't see thru the tea party crap, then I feel sorry for you. They are lead by some of the biggest ignoramuses in politics. They are sanctimonious and only believe in "freedom" if it fits their moral agenda. Total blowhards.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:55 PM   #562
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Our victory is in the 41-21-1 bipartisan vote, giving us the momentum we need going forward.
great news!
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:58 PM   #563
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I think Bachus leading the opposition helps our cause. He came across as santimonous and incapable of compromise or reason. It's hard to ally with the repeated "save the children" diatribe. He keeps pointing out statistical outliers referencing some minor having "gambled online". Well hell, why don't we ban alcohol since we know we can't prevent 100% of minors from drinking?

Bachus et al. used these scare tactics to ram thru the UIGEA to a very uninformed congress. Now it appears the shoe is on the other foot.

Well done. I hope this bill becomes law. We have a president that will most certainly sign it. They key is the Senate and the fear monger/nannystaters over there - namely Senator Kyl.
This is my read as well
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:59 PM   #564
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

So is the new proposed bill HR2268? I'd like to know what to tell friends and family.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:02 PM   #565
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Listen - if you can't see thru the tea party crap, then I feel sorry for you. They are lead by some of the biggest ignoramuses in politics. They are sanctimonious and only believe in "freedom" if it fits their moral agenda. Total blowhards.
I'm not saying the tea party is perfect, but between this and a couple other of your posts, it's time to put down the obama kool-aid

What you mention above is the theme of modern day politics across parties. Yeah it sucks our country has come to this.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:06 PM   #566
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I'm not saying the tea party is perfect, but between this and a couple other of your posts, it's time to put down the obama kool-aid

What you mention above is the theme of modern day politics across parties. Yeah it sucks our country has come to this.
I'm a centrist. I am firmly against all forms of nannystating. Obama in this case is not gonna veto this. That's all any of us should care about as far as this bill goes. The president before would almost certainly have vetoed it. He was a born-again nutjob.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:08 PM   #567
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Good job Tea Party. One nay and one present vote.

And Bachus again delivers. I can't think of a better opposition leader to poker interests than him.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:09 PM   #568
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aye!


.... this was a good use of one of my "one times!!"
I didn't use mine yet so we have plenty of ammo for next time we need it.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:14 PM   #569
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Good job Tea Party. One nay and one present vote.
I believe Ron Paul was the one who voted "present" and he co-sponsored the bill...
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:21 PM   #570
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Yeah.. anyone have any clue why Paul voted present? That was weird.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:21 PM   #571
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

NEWS RELEASE

PPA Praises Passage of H.R. 2267, Internet Gambling Regulation Bill


Washington, DC (July 28, 2010) –The Poker Players Alliance (PPA), the leading poker grassroots advocacy group with more than one million members nationwide, today applauded passage of H.R. 2267, the Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act, by the House Financial Services Committee. The bipartisan 41-22 vote demonstrates that sensible regulation of Internet gaming is gaining support in Congress while prohibition continues to fail.

“The fact is, online poker is not going away. Congress has a choice – it can license and regulate it to provide government oversight and consumer protections, or our lawmakers can stick their heads in the sand, ignore it, and leave consumers to play on non-U.S. regulated websites in all 50 states,” said Former Senator Alfonse D’Amato, chairman of the PPA. “I’m glad the Financial Services Committee today overwhelmingly chose to act and protect Americans as well as preserve the fundamental freedoms of adults and the Internet.”

Sponsored by House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA), H.R. 2267 establishes a robust licensing and regulatory regime for online gaming in the United States, providing much needed oversight on this growing industry in order to protect consumers, children and problem gamblers. By using the most modern technologies and regulatory authority, this bill goes further than the ineffective Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA) to keep children and problem gamblers off these sites, at the same time allowing for strong consumer protections for adult consumers who enjoy this recreational activity. Additionally, licensing and regulation presents an avenue for companies to return to the U.S., providing the economy with much needed jobs and tax revenue. The bill was further strengthened by several bipartisan amendments that provide even greater consumer protections and strong enforcement against unlicensed operators, something that the current law (UIGEA) lacks completely.

“We commend the lawmakers who helped make H.R. 2267 stronger through a variety of consumer protection mandates. In particular, we thank Representatives John Campbell (R-CA), Mary Jo Kilroy (D-OH), and Melissa Bean (D-IL) for their thoughtful additions to the bill and their interest in preserving the rights of adult poker players in their districts,” said John Pappas, PPA executive director.

While the bill has passed out of Committee, there is still much work to be done and areas of policy in this bill that must still be addressed. To be clear, despite the concerns of some of our members, nothing in the Committee-passed legislation precludes lawful Internet poker-only operators whom U.S. players know and trust today from the opportunity to operate under a regulated system. The PPA will work with House and Senate lawmakers to ensure that the final legislation produces the best regulated online gaming environment for the consumer.

“This is a great day not only for poker players, but for proponents of Internet freedom and individual liberty,” said D’Amato. “We thank Chairman Frank for his leadership on this bill, and look forward to working with him to bring this bill through the legislative process.”

Key provisions of the bill include:
  • Thorough vetting of potential licensees and creation of an OFAC-style list of illegal operators;
  • Mandatory implementation of technologies to protect against underage gambling using the commercial and government databases used for online banking to verify age and identity
  • Requirements for operators to set daily, weekly or monthly limits on deposits and losses to monitor and detect individuals with excessive gaming habits;
  • High standards to thwart fraud, abuse and cheating to ensure fair games for customers;
  • Regulation to prevent money laundering; and,
  • Processes to prevent tax avoidance.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:25 PM   #572
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Yeah.. anyone have any clue why Paul voted present? That was weird.
IIRC he is opposed to the tax provisions.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:28 PM   #573
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[*]Requirements for operators to set daily, weekly or monthly limits on deposits and losses to monitor and detect individuals with excessive gaming habits;
Does this mean operators set site-wide limits or operators allow players to set their own limits?
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:32 PM   #574
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I am glad to see this bill move forward. Thanks to all the PPA members and their efforts.

I do believe it looks dim for PS and FT. I think the money behind this bill is more interested in removing competitors with a lead in market shares. I do believe Party might see a return. If you check the amendment about violating U.S. Law I believe there was a date clause that closely coincides with passage of UIGEA. Therefore any companies that didn’t violate laws after that date were not included.

I think the efforts to prevent FT and PS licensing and to require a significant on shore presence is in response to what has been perceived as FS and PS “thumbing their noses” at U.S. Laws.

I hope I am wrong and that FT and PS are allowed a license if this passes, but I wouldn’t bet money on it.

As a chess player I would like to know more about the chess references in the hearing. Is their talk of online tourny’s for money?
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:35 PM   #575
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To be clear, despite the concerns of some of our members, nothing in the Committee-passed legislation precludes lawful Internet poker-only operators whom U.S. players know and trust today from the opportunity to operate under a regulated system.
The only other news release out I can find on Google says the exact opposite. You can confirm this bill would allow Poker Stars and Full Tilt to be eligible for a license?

http://www.casinogamblingweb.com/gam...tee_55455.html

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One of the hot topics raised in a hearing last week was what to do with online gaming sites such as PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker that have been accepting US customers against the government's wishes. Rep. Bacchus proposed an amendment that would block any sites that have been disregarding US laws regarding Internet gambling from obtaining a license. The prohibition for these sites was agreed upon in the Committee and the amendment was passed.
Who is right? This is a very important piece of the bill IMO. Maybe I am misunderstanding the PPA release?
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