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Old 07-28-2010, 03:28 PM   #501
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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What was the Bacca amendmant that was defeated?
It's "Bachus."
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:28 PM   #502
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Can someone post a link to this please??????
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:28 PM   #503
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Would be great if we could see these amendments...I thought that no was on the overall bill...

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Old 07-28-2010, 03:28 PM   #504
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

same one that was defeated earlier in the voice vote (opt-in)
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:28 PM   #505
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I think the first amendment said that states had to opt IN, not opt out. It was voted down.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:29 PM   #506
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i'm hearing lots of no's. I thought it was a bad thing at first until Bachus said aye!
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:29 PM   #507
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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I agree that litigation has risk. Skall put our odds equal to QQ v. AJ. I agree and these odds apply to the whole case after appeal; not to the trial court decision which IMO is 50-50. I don't trust or like trial court judges; just look at the AZ case preliminary decision.
I think we'd be around 50-50 once all is done, but I wouldn't be surprised if we were to lose one the way and have to win that one on appeal.

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I am disappointed that the PPA was not able to get any favorable amendments, like state opt out requires a state law, introduced or passed. At least the present amendments do not ruin the bill, but it is still a gamble. But IMO, it is a better gamble than litigation.

However, what happens if it does not become law and the GOP takes over one or both houses of Congress?
We actually did get quite a bit in some of the amendments. We wanted bipartisan support for the bill for the momentum we need and the amendments got that for us.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:29 PM   #508
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It's "Bachus."
There is a Bacca as well.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:29 PM   #509
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This one is the Bacchus amendment I believe, not sure who the first one was.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:29 PM   #510
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TE,

Is Director Pappas still in the room??? Or is he not allowed to be there during vote...

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Old 07-28-2010, 03:30 PM   #511
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I'm saying that's how Indian casinos work, and Indian tribes have a much more powerful lobby than anyone else at the table.
Your logic might work for preventing operating non-Indian B&M casinos within state borders. But that doesn't explain how Indian casinos can prevent PLAYERS from going to other internet sites.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:30 PM   #512
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Can someone post a link to this please??????
It's in the OP.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:30 PM   #513
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

First amendment that got voted against was changing from opt-out to opt-in, I think. So we like that. Second was some other thing we didn't like and also didn't get through.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:30 PM   #514
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Both defeated. Now here's the real vote.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:31 PM   #515
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is this third one the actual bill they are voting on?
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:31 PM   #516
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All I know is that when Frank says No...I know what side I'm rooting for...

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Old 07-28-2010, 03:31 PM   #517
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is this third one the actual bill they are voting on?
Think so
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:32 PM   #518
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TE,

Is Director Pappas still in the room??? Or is he not allowed to be there during vote...

Michael of NJ
He's on the Hill today. I just talked with him not too long ago. I'm not if he's in the room right now, but he's definitely all over this.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:33 PM   #519
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I think we'd be around 50-50 once all is done, but I wouldn't be surprised if we were to lose one the way and have to win that one on appeal.



We actually did get quite a bit in some of the amendments. We wanted bipartisan support for the bill for the momentum we need and the amendments got that for us.
What did we get to improve the bill. We played good defense, but did we get any actual improvements other than those designed to make the bill more likely to pass the house? The full legislative session time period helps our legal argument that that the opt out language requires more than a governors decision, but it does not clarify or strengthen the opt out clause like we wanted.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:34 PM   #520
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are we winzing? i cant tells....
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:34 PM   #521
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41-22!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:34 PM   #522
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

AYES win 41-22
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:34 PM   #523
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are we winzing? i cant tells....
bill passed committee as amended (1 step down, many to go)
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:35 PM   #524
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:35 PM   #525
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All votes went our way fairly overwhelmingly.
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