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Old 07-28-2010, 01:35 PM   #401
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Sherman's from California, which has been working on an intrastate poker bill.

The full Committee isn't at the hearing, and there will be plenty of no votes coming when the vote happens at 3:20.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:36 PM   #402
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Better protect minors from chess

Thanks TE, skall kevmath NJ and all the others names I forget for their work.
have some run good on the vote l8er

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Old 07-28-2010, 01:36 PM   #403
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164 (74 members & 90 guests) Legislation forum is busy today, I wonder why
It's up over 220 now! Nice.

I put it out on the 2+2 twitter as well as my own. Seems we're getting a lot of attention.

Seprately, I just got home and online. I literally heard Barney Frank's last four words on this, then he went to the next bill. LOL at the timing. I guess I'll have to wait to watch the second half.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:37 PM   #404
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Well, this was a bit of progress, anyway. But the comment at the end that this bill should and will move on a schedule in tandem with the revenue bill is a clear statement that we are facing another significant delay while the revenue bill moves through the committee.

Sigh.

I get excited every time we get some movement, then get a reminder like that that we are still a long way from even a floor vote in the house.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:37 PM   #405
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ays have it, right? Baccus seemed to be the only opposer. A formal vote is scheduled but it looks like we got it locked up, yes? One more question, I heard something in passing... Was there an amendmant made that allows the states to treat poker and chess bets as different forms of gambling than other casino games? Does this mean poker will finally be treated differently in the eyes of the online gaming laws (in other words, can states opt out of casino games but allow poker?) BTW, I am from New York City and I want to know what you guys think NY will do...
Take a look at this thread. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...thread-835530/
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:38 PM   #406
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ays have it, right? Baccus seemed to be the only opposer. A formal vote is scheduled but it looks like we got it locked up, yes? One more question, I heard something in passing... Was there an amendmant made that allows the states to treat poker and chess bets as different forms of gambling than other casino games? Does this mean poker will finally be treated differently in the eyes of the online gaming laws (in other words, can states opt out of casino games but allow poker?) BTW, I am from New York City and I want to know what you guys think NY will do...
lol mission its higgy. please deposit on bodog again ,your so good for the games.....
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:41 PM   #407
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hey higster, can't beat the games anymore... not enough fish, thats why im payin so close attention to these bills... this was my first losing year in 6 years - time to go back to the day job, u think if this bill passes the games will go back to the way they were?
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:42 PM   #408
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HAHA, gambling sites are linked to porn sites. What??
Actually the founders of party were first in the quasi-porn business. Remember those old commercials about calling in for X per minute and talking to girls, that was them, at least one of them.

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Old 07-28-2010, 01:42 PM   #409
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ays have it, right? Baccus seemed to be the only opposer. A formal vote is scheduled but it looks like we got it locked up, yes? One more question, I heard something in passing... Was there an amendmant made that allows the states to treat poker and chess bets as different forms of gambling than other casino games? Does this mean poker will finally be treated differently in the eyes of the online gaming laws (in other words, can states opt out of casino games but allow poker?) BTW, I am from New York City and I want to know what you guys think NY will do...
Bachus, Baca, and Bachmann (say that three times fast...) are all opposed, as will be many Republicans on the committee. But it looks like it has a very good chance of passing out of committee.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:42 PM   #410
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Well, this was a bit of progress, anyway. But the comment at the end that this bill should and will move on a schedule in tandem with the revenue bill is a clear statement that we are facing another significant delay while the revenue bill moves through the committee.

Sigh.

I get excited every time we get some movement, then get a reminder like that that we are still a long way from even a floor vote in the house.
+1

It's still nice that we got some attention for our cause today. Even though it seems like this whole process has been going on forever in Congress we're still in the early stages of this bill becoming law.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:42 PM   #411
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idk about the way they were 5 years ago but i think they will def get better. sure hope so anyways....
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:43 PM   #412
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Recap??
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:43 PM   #413
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Do you mean like seeking a Declaratory Judgment to that effect ?

Isn't that something the PPA has refused to pursue on behalf of poker players since 2006 ?
That sounds like something for the sites to pursue and for PPA to support. Do you know of any sites willing to seek this, TruePoker CEO?
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:45 PM   #414
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That sounds like something for the sites to pursue and for PPA to support. Do you know of any sites willing to seek this, TruePoker CEO?
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:45 PM   #415
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hey higgy, r u havin difficulty winning too? hasn't bodog heightened rake? and who do u even play against excpet for gambool crusher and timmo
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:45 PM   #416
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I am from New York City and I want to know what you guys think NY will do...
For better or worse, Paterson won't be in office if or when the bill passes. He would've opted-in for sure, but he would impose taxes that would dwarf pokerstars.fr.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:47 PM   #417
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Work very rudely interrupted my undivided attention to the hearing. Can anyone post a recap of the approved amendments and if possible clarity on what they'd mean?

Not asking too much, right?

Thanks
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:47 PM   #418
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Right right, but those types of transactions are regulated separately and have bounds and limits and stuff, I think?


Bachman introduces an amendment that nobody who is delinquent on child support payments can gamble online. I guess that is reasonable, seems really niche though, and is there any precedent for stuff like this in any other industry?
Semi, here in WV you can gamble if behind but if you win over X amount, before being paid they check with child support and if behind grab that amount from the payout.

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Old 07-28-2010, 01:48 PM   #419
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yeah the problem is you keep supporting a bad bill till it is on the edge of passing, all the while hoping it turns good, then 'oh no, it passed'!
If you have a better idea, I'm all ears.

To me, this is a good lesson on how Congress perceives us. Do these sound like fans of the status quo to anyone here?
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:49 PM   #420
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Screw paypal...Gimme Neteller or Neovia as it likes to be known as now.

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Neteller sold me out and gave the DOJ all my transaction history. Why should any US player give them another chance? I wouldn't give them the sweat off my balls if they were dying of thirst in the desert.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:54 PM   #421
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Neteller sold me out and gave the DOJ all my transaction history. Why should any US player give them another chance? I wouldn't give them the sweat off my balls if they were dying of thirst in the desert.
U mean 2 tell me the DOJ came after U? How do u know they gave the doj ur history???They haven't come 2 me 2 declare any money or pay any taxes...

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Old 07-28-2010, 01:56 PM   #422
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i remember reading a while back that this bill would mandate sites withhold for every withdrawl made. is that still the case?
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:56 PM   #423
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For better or worse, Paterson won't be in office if or when the bill passes. He would've opted-in for sure, but he would impose taxes that would dwarf pokerstars.fr.
That's too bad because some guy just posted a thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...umbers-839851/

showing the impact of the rake increase on PS.FR on players' Win Rates, and it's not pretty....Games are basically unbeatable in France now.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:59 PM   #424
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If you have a better idea, I'm all ears.

To me, this is a good lesson on how Congress perceives us. Do these sound like fans of the status quo to anyone here?
yeah, how about legal action? I know it may take 5 years, but if you started 4 years ago we would be that much closer.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:59 PM   #425
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Neteller sold me out and gave the DOJ all my transaction history. Why should any US player give them another chance? I wouldn't give them the sweat off my balls if they were dying of thirst in the desert.
If you don't like it when companies comply with US law, you're not going to like any of the companies that are licensed to offer online poker under US law.
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