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Old 07-28-2010, 12:44 PM   #301
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

wtf is this ****? 5 minutes spent talking about pornography????
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:44 PM   #302
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Bachus is incapable of formulating a coherent argument.

The Gentleman from Texas has yielded a ton.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:44 PM   #303
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bacchus gets his facts directly from obama
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:45 PM   #304
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

WTF credit cards can't be used? Seriously?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #305
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amendment proposed to prohibit credit cards. Only allow debit and prepaid cards. To protect ppl from racking up large debts.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #306
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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TE said get the bill out of committee and then fix it in the Senate where the details matter and the bill will be more poker focused.

Im closer to your side, I cant support a bill that looks like this going any further. We're giving way too much, especially if that 50% tax is still there.
yeah the problem is you keep supporting a bad bill till it is on the edge of passing, all the while hoping it turns good, then 'oh no, it passed'!
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #307
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WTF credit cards can't be used? Seriously?
thats cool just give us paypal
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #308
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

I guess a way to get the 50% tax out is to eliminate the need for the McDermott bill, but that means we need an amendment here giving money to the state.

Otherwise, we need to revisit the state opt out thread and make guesses where states dont get extra revenue.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #309
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Yeah, losing credit cards sucks because of how convenient they are, but I would tend to agree that people shouldn't gamble/poker/invest on credit in general.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:47 PM   #310
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WTF credit cards can't be used? Seriously?
I see nothing wrong with this.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:47 PM   #311
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amendment proposed to prohibit credit cards. Only allow debit and prepaid cards. To protect ppl from racking up large debts.
Don't have too much of a problem with this really. If I remember correctly, a lot of credit card operators didn't let you deposit even before the UIGEA.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:47 PM   #312
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Only those sites found in violation of federal gaming law will be denied a license. That is the what the current amdt says (sherman). As far as I know, the us-facing poker sites believe they are not breaking any laws, nor have they been convicted of breaking any laws. Nothing will guarentee that they get a license, but the amdt does not prohibit them. Now there may be another amdt offers that says anyone post uigea has taken a wager they cannot get a license. We will fight that!
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:47 PM   #313
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

I mean do people really have credit cards but not debit cards? Doesn't really seem like a huge deal to me....
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:47 PM   #314
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The 50percent tax is not in this bill! Therefore it cannot be removed. The amendment adopted thus far strengthen the bill. I am writing this from the hearing room. That is how much I love 2p2!
Can u comment briefly on an int'l player pool? Does having all facilities in the U.S. prohibit this???

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:48 PM   #315
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Pappas got 2 it first.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:48 PM   #316
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no debit/credit cards. You would think Bachus would have strongly argued this earlier if he really cared about preventing addiction.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:49 PM   #317
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So an amendment just passed requiring ALL facilities of a licensed site to be located in the US?

Wouldnt that eliminate, like, everyone? Google isnt located 100% US.
I'm think this is also what France did, yet they have dozens of foreign operators being given licenses.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:49 PM   #318
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thats cool just give us paypal
Screw paypal...Gimme Neteller or Neovia as it likes to be known as now.

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Yeah, losing credit cards sucks because of how convenient they are, but I would tend to agree that people shouldn't gamble/poker/invest on credit in general.
But you could argue buying a plasma TV with credit is a bad idea as well. That again is the choice of the individual. Not the choice of the government to make for the individual IMHO.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:51 PM   #320
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Screw paypal...Gimme Neteller or Neovia as it likes to be known as now.

Michael of NJ
Ya I forgot about neteller, those were the days.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:51 PM   #321
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Only those sites found in violation of federal gaming law will be denied a license. That is the what the current amdt says (sherman). As far as I know, the us-facing poker sites believe they are not breaking any laws, nor have they been convicted of breaking any laws. Nothing will guarentee that they get a license, but the amdt does not prohibit them. Now there may be another amdt offers that says anyone post uigea has taken a wager they cannot get a license. We will fight that!
Well, Barney Frank agrees with that amendment in general so I don't love our chances.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:52 PM   #322
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I'm think this is also what France did, yet they have dozens of foreign operators being given licenses.
France is not who we want to be emulating here, unless we want unbeatable games. I also think the French language was around player pools and a segregated site, not physical facilities.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:52 PM   #323
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Mr. Castle is another idiot.......how do these people get their job, just unreal how much their own personal agenda's influence their opinions on a matter.

So now States have a full year to opt out? Am I understanding this correctly.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:53 PM   #324
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But you could argue buying a plasma TV with credit is a bad idea as well. That again is the choice of the individual. Not the choice of the government to make for the individual IMHO.
Well of course, but that doesn't mean we'd be willing to compromise on an issue to get something passed. There's no reason to hold out for everything so we get nothing.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:53 PM   #325
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But you could argue buying a plasma TV with credit is a bad idea as well. That again is the choice of the individual. Not the choice of the government to make for the individual IMHO.
True, but at least that TV can be auctioned off or repossessed if it turns out it was purchased on credit with money the individual did not have. Not so with gambling or investing. You can't buy stocks with a credit card AFAIK, at least the only options I've seen are debit, check, bank transfer, etc.
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