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Old 07-28-2010, 12:35 PM   #276
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

yes ALL facilities that give service to the US....
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:35 PM   #277
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lol @ Mr Frank
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:35 PM   #278
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Why did that pass? Parts of it seem bad...

Requiring all licensees to have all facilities located within the US... is this an impediment to international poker rooms or not?
This one really worries me...No doubt about it...They could still have int'l rooms or player pools but what really troubles me is the infrastructure investment that would be required by a internet poker room...What u may see here is B2B which takes U.S. customers and then filters them to the int'l player pool.

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:36 PM   #279
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is this correct?
I believe so based on what Kevmath has been posting in the NVG thread.

Not a good day so far. We have one win in terms of keeping the bill the same (opt-out, not opt-in), although the process has been extended from 90 days to a full legislative session.

We have two big losses, amendments which basically keep out foreign sites.

We have not removed the tax.

Things need to get better quickly. The current bill should be snap-opposed.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:37 PM   #280
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OMFG BACHUS............a 12 year old could be addicted to alcohol, parents get addicted to alcohol....what a ****ing fool Bachus is
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:37 PM   #281
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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Things need to get better quickly. The current bill should be snap-opposed.
it won't be. I would be stunned if the PPA opposed this bill. Wait for the perfume spraying brigade.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:39 PM   #282
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So far this bill has been made worse through the markup process.

Any talk about the 50% tax provision we were hoping to remove?
The 50percent tax is not in this bill! Therefore it cannot be removed. The amendment adopted thus far strengthen the bill. I am writing this from the hearing room. That is how much I love 2p2!
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:39 PM   #283
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it won't be. I would be stunned if the PPA opposed this bill. Wait for the perfume spraying brigade.
TE said get the bill out of committee and then fix it in the Senate where the details matter and the bill will be more poker focused.

Im closer to your side, I cant support a bill that looks like this going any further. We're giving way too much, especially if that 50% tax is still there.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:40 PM   #284
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B/c they only believe in freedom if it suits their moral agenda.

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This is crazy...Bachman is supposed to be a tea party broad...What happened to the tea party talking points about freedom and individual rights...We need to get any PPA members in Minnesota to question this woman.

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:40 PM   #285
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The 50percent tax is not in this bill! Therefore it cannot be removed. The amendment adopted thus far strengthen the bill. I am writing this from the hearing room. That is how much I love 2p2!
awesome.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:40 PM   #286
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I believe so based on what Kevmath has been posting in the NVG thread.

Not a good day so far. We have one win in terms of keeping the bill the same (opt-out, not opt-in), although the process has been extended from 90 days to a full legislative session.

We have two big losses, amendments which basically keep out foreign sites.

We have not removed the tax.

Things need to get better quickly. The current bill should be snap-opposed.
This is untrue as I have stated 2 times right now. Its in the wording, they stated ALL facilities that do business in the US. Therefore sites would need to have ALL their US based operations here in the US......this is an easy adjustment for companies like Stars or FTP.....hell FTP prolly wants to do this anyways.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:41 PM   #287
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Frank just pwned Bachus on the letter Campbell entered.

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:41 PM   #288
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The 50percent tax is not in this bill! Therefore it cannot be removed. The amendment adopted thus far strengthen the bill. I am writing this from the hearing room. That is how much I love 2p2!
<3 <3 Thanks for supporting all of us Mr. Pappas!!
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:42 PM   #289
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How the hell can Bachus not be sued for some of these slanderous comments......unreal the insinuations he is making........
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:42 PM   #290
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HAHA, gambling sites are linked to porn sites. What??
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:42 PM   #291
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

We Really shouldn't be shocked by what has happened so far, we had to know there would be amendments we wouldn't like, this is the "sausage making" process that is building support for a bill to become law. Members of Congress are going to want certain things in these bills if they're going to support online gaming/poker, otherwise there's no way they have a chance of passing
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:42 PM   #292
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poker sites push child porn?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:42 PM   #293
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lolol Bachus just brought up an old favorite of his, the idea that "many of these gambling sites are linked to pornography sites".
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:42 PM   #294
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where the hell does Bachus get his facts?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:42 PM   #295
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Not really. I'm just sharing where we are....

Our goal is to show support in this committee, not in the entire House. We won't support a bad bill in the House.
Can you explain whether a bill which would ban current US facing poker operators from the US market is a 'bad bill" in the view of the PPA ?

Would the PPA support a bill in the House which bars licensing historic US-facing poker operators, like PStars, FTP, Cake ?

Seems like a good time to ask .........
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:43 PM   #296
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HAHA, gambling sites are linked to porn sites. What??
www.fulltitpoker.com obv
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:43 PM   #297
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Bachus has to just make some of this stuff up. Should he not have to prove where he is saying these things from. He is stating some crazy things as facts.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:43 PM   #298
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The 50percent tax is not in this bill! Therefore it cannot be removed. The amendment adopted thus far strengthen the bill. I am writing this from the hearing room. That is how much I love 2p2!
So when do we get the 50% tax removed? Is there a separate markup scheduled on the McDermott companion bill?

We need the McDermott companion bill as that is the bill that gives money to the states, correct? Without that we get a ton of states opting out. So the 50% tax on players for unlicensed sites is still very much alive.

The amendments thus far have absolutely not strengthened the bill.
---Kept opt outs (a win)
---Extended time to opt-out (small loss)
---Eliminated foreign sites, including a main funding source for the PPA (huge loss)
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:44 PM   #299
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where the hell does Bachus get his facts?


He seriously just seemed gassed... just rambling his same junk. It's great watching him get trampled by Frank.
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that darn Constitution always gets in the way, huh Mr. Bachus?
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