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Old 07-28-2010, 12:22 PM   #251
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

I understand the point of having these operators on U.S. soil...But that infrastructure investment is not free and will be passed on to the customers...

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:22 PM   #252
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

I didn't know there was video..I was listening to the audio.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:23 PM   #253
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listing to this it almost feels like banonlinepoker is going to get the last laugh
Ha, I had the exact same thought. We're moving towards a bill he himself would write. That is not a good thing.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:24 PM   #254
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Which working ways to cheat is Bachus referring too?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:24 PM   #255
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Bachus is so round about...Get to the point...He says he supports an amendment...Then reads an FBI letter that opposes the very amendment...

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:24 PM   #256
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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I didn't know there was video..I was listening to the audio.
Audio is probably a better idea, Congresspeopeople aren't much to look at
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:24 PM   #257
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

LOL @ Buchus's collusion argument. He needs to read the Internet Poker forum.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:24 PM   #258
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Roll call may be done once all amendments are discussed and do a roll call vote on amendments needing a voice vote, then the bill itself.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:24 PM   #259
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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If the bill gets passed by a vote of the full floor of one chamber of the Congress (the House of Representatives in the case of this bill), it then gets sent to the other chamber (the Senate). The bill, or a companion bill, then goes through the same process in the other chamber including committee markup & vote (although this step could be skipped), full floor debate and vote.

If the bill that emerges (with a passing vote) from the Senate differs from the bill that was sent to them from the House, then the changed bill either goes back to the House for another full floor vote for passage, or goes to a reconciliation committee consisting of members from both houses to develop a compromise bill, which then needs another full floor vote in both chambers for passage.
Dumb Canadian guy question.

Based on the set of hoops that has to be jumped through, how was the UIGEA ever able to be tacked on at the 11th hour of the Port Security Bill back in '06? Sounds like any significant amendments to a bill would have to go back to the other chamber, undergo another vote, possible reconcilitation committee etc. etc.. The system seems to be structured well enough to have failsafes in places to prevent those type of shenanigans from occurring.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:24 PM   #260
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parallel regulatory authority in the states sounds unworkable.

thoughts?
Maybe not and could make licensing easier, you locate in a state with gaming and meet that states regs.

Could set up a competition between states to bring jobs there.

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:25 PM   #261
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Looks like Bachus has read that mysterious anti-poker website we don't like linking to directly.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:25 PM   #262
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omg somebody make him stop
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:25 PM   #263
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

is Bachus really pulling the collusion and money laundering tactics again......this is just such ignorance......any type of regulation only enforces the unlikeliness of it.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:26 PM   #264
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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Ha, I had the exact same thought. We're moving towards a bill he himself would write. That is not a good thing.
Are we sure he wasn't somehow involved in writing it
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:27 PM   #265
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

The sites that are unregulated right now do a fine job in my opinion of preventing and punishing collusion. Once the sites are regulated this can only improve.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:28 PM   #266
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

So was there any point whatsoever to Bachus's little speech? Imediately after: "all in favor aye", everyone: aye
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:29 PM   #267
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Why did that pass? Parts of it seem bad...

Requiring all licensees to have all facilities located within the US... is this an impediment to international poker rooms or not?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:29 PM   #268
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Can't say I'm surprised the 90 day opt-out was extended to allow for a full legislative session.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:30 PM   #269
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

So an amendment just passed requiring ALL facilities of a licensed site to be located in the US?

Wouldnt that eliminate, like, everyone? Google isnt located 100% US.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:31 PM   #270
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This is crazy...Bachman is supposed to be a tea party broad...What happened to the tea party talking points about freedom and individual rights...We need to get any PPA members in Minnesota to question this woman.

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:32 PM   #271
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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So an amendment just passed requiring ALL facilities of a licensed site to be located in the US?

Wouldnt that eliminate, like, everyone? Google isnt located 100% US.
guys, this is all in the wording, companies could still operate offshore, they would just need for their US Processors, and US Servers to be placed in the US, the sites could work around this easy.....
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:32 PM   #272
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

So far this bill has been made worse through the markup process.

Any talk about the 50% tax provision we were hoping to remove?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:33 PM   #273
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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So an amendment just passed requiring ALL facilities of a licensed site to be located in the US?

Wouldnt that eliminate, like, everyone? Google isnt located 100% US.
is this correct?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:34 PM   #274
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Details matter on the withdrawn amendment. If the licensing is based on "taking unlawful bets or wagers" both Stars and FTP will have the ability to argue that they never did that by making the case that online poker is not against current law.
The opt-in amendment is both more and less dangerous. Opt-in is bad momentum wise. But requiring a legislative action is good procedure-wise.

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Do you mean like seeking a Declaratory Judgment to that effect ?

Isn't that something the PPA has refused to pursue on behalf of poker players since 2006 ?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:34 PM   #275
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So an amendment just passed requiring ALL facilities of a licensed site to be located in the US?

Wouldnt that eliminate, like, everyone? Google isnt located 100% US.
I'm not surprised something like this was approved after listing to the hearing last week. The 100% will probably have to be defined at some point.
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