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Old 07-28-2010, 12:07 PM   #226
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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If anyone can find it, you can.
lol so so true. kevmath is the man
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:08 PM   #227
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:09 PM   #228
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Nova,

You can expect more expounding of the amendments and other issues here in Legislation. All I'm doing is getting to the gist of what the amendments are for the NVG crowd. It would be nice to see the actual text of the amendments, which may not be publicly available until after markup is done?
If you google "HR 2267 amendments you get your post" as no.1 LOL

I watched the 1st part pre-recess cuz work was quiet LDO, made these notes and thought might as well share, although undoubtely been covered in this thread.

1st(?) amendment seems to suggest FTP/Stars may have a harder time to get a licence but it did say broke existing laws and the sites have rightly claimed that existing laws i.e wire act don't even mention poker/skill games.

+1 on Mrs Bortmann using outs in her discussion


To prevent a schism with alot of exisiting (offshore LDO) operators that may fear not gaining a licence and support status quo, what about and an amendment to place initial fines/not allowed to startup for say 6mths on
those that the future licensing commitee deem to have have broken existing laws proportional to their intentional/unintentional rule breaking seems fair and reasonable.

Go go barney defending freedom for citizens to access internet.

opt-in/out amendment looks scary imo, glad got defeated (I think hard to hear on votes).

Mr cleaver probably will have the soundbite for the papers LDO, plus for non supporters the freedom argument is really key IMHO.
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I've said it before but Barney Frank is rly sharp and sometimes funny.

Also I don't quite understand all the h8 for Mr. Bachus though his poor logic is tilting. Almost all legislation has opposition would you rather he was the proponent and Barney was against this Bill ?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:09 PM   #229
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:09 PM   #230
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

They're back.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:10 PM   #231
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

is there a link i skimmed through the thread didnt see it tyty
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:11 PM   #232
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is there a link i skimmed through the thread didnt see it tyty
page 1 edgeboss... something
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:11 PM   #233
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http://financialserv.edgeboss.net/wm...iop_070131.asx
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:11 PM   #234
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

waiting on Bachus....probably fondling his young male page and lost track of time.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:11 PM   #235
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waiting on Bachus
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:11 PM   #236
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got it thanks
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:12 PM   #237
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

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This amendment is just desserts for PS and FTP. They should have sued in federal court that their service of US citizens was legal. Now, under this amendment, they will have to file this suit to get a license. IMO, eventually, they will win which is good for us. But in the meantime, they will lose market share to US companies.
A) there happens to be an assumption of innocence in this country, FTP/PS and everyone else would need to be found guilty

B) all of the US sites have a .NET component which have never accepted real $ deposits
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:14 PM   #238
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A) there happens to be an assumption of innocence in this country, FTP/PS and everyone else would need to be found guilty

B) all of the US sites have a .NET component which have never accepted real $ deposits
I think what is most likely is they'll pay a substantial fine and be allowed in, since opponents accept Bill is going to be made, they'll go for the revenue IMHO.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:15 PM   #239
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

What happened to the roll call?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:16 PM   #240
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parallel regulatory authority in the states sounds unworkable.

thoughts?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:16 PM   #241
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Bachus' Amendment

"An even stronger prohibition, which we worked on in conjunction with several different groups"

"If it is the will of the committee to move this flawed bill forward, we should at least do everything we can to limit the damage, not just to US online gamblers but to their neighbors and fellow citizens."

"Since 2006 there [have been companies that ignored our laws, criminal enterprises that took US bets every day]. Whether you supported the UIGEA in 2006 or not, as most people did support it, every member of this body supports the rule of law. Hr2267 rewards illegal offshore casinos, the casinos that have spent tens of millions of $ lobbying Congress to overturn UIGEA. [any IG legalization bill should explicitly prohibit them]"

"The companies and their employees are simply unsuitable for license here. They violated the law and there's no reason to believe they won't again."

"[this amendment would prevent] any company that has [ever accepted US bets] on sporting events, POKER [emphasis mine], ... from entering the market"


Frank says:
"We are in general agreement on this" (!!)
Translation : Party bought a pass. Stars/FTP are being thrown under the bus.

Irony: The UIGEA expressly did not make internet gambling more or less illegal.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:19 PM   #242
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

That's what it reads like to me too. Im a little surprised since the PPA said they didnt think Party had the clout to do something like that.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:19 PM   #243
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

In general Rep. Campbell sounds on top of his ****.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:19 PM   #244
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Campbell mentions "you have to be 21" in the discussion of his amendment, probably a slip of the tongue on his part as the Frank bill defers to state authority for minimum ages. Worth double-checking when we get to see the text of his amendment, if it moves.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:20 PM   #245
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Campbell for prez imo
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:20 PM   #246
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Campbell mentions "you have to be 21" in the discussion of his amendment, probably a slip of the tongue on his part as the Frank bill defers to state authority for minimum ages. Worth double-checking when we get to see the text of his amendment, if it moves.
I heard that. Ship being 25.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:21 PM   #247
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waiting on Bachus....probably fondling his young male page and lost track of time.
LOL...This is prob the funniest thing i heard...I almost spit up my cheerios this morning...

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:21 PM   #248
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

Pick your own RNG?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:21 PM   #249
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Re: HR 2267 Markup, Wed. 7/28 10:00am

listing to this it almost feels like banonlinepoker is going to get the last laugh
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:21 PM   #250
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Campbell is the ****. Glad he's from my State. Also, agree with what someone about age requirement should be minimum age in the state.
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