Sportbooks will survive the same way they have been doing it latelly working with agents having their offices out of USA, will partypoker be allow to be back ?

Why wouldn't it be? It's how UIGEA got passed.

Will non-US players be allowed to play at these new regulated sites?

28,000 views ITT. imagine if we had 28,000 letters to congress ;o

probably 4,000 of these are my views.

TE has personally said he will not support a bill with that clause in there and I would expect the PPA to withdraw support if it is not removed. I take them at their word as this is clearly not a player friendly option.

Totally agree with you. If that's not eliminated I would go meet personally with my reps and explain that I am a poker player and will vote against them in future elections if they vote yes.

I worry about this clause too as it is the number 1 thing we need to change, but am cautiously optimistic that A) we can remove it and B) the PPA walks from the bill otherwise.

Just cant see a good organization that has done right by its players selling out its membership like that, and I do think its a good organization.

Would this bill (and McDermott's bill) impact the online horse racing market or are they still covered under their old laws? If these bills do affect them, don't you think they will oppose this legislation since it will add more restrictions and taxes on them? I assume we need them on our side, isn't their lobby much wealthier than the PPA?

Called mine this morning, her staff didn't even know what HR 2267 was..when I asked them what her position was on the bill they told me they couldn't comment. This is the same Rep. That doesn't answer the emails that I send via the PPA template emails on the subject.

Does anyone know where I can find out who voted for and against HR 2267 in yesterdays vote?

Thanks.

too bad it's too little too late and online poker is already dead

Yes, PPA opposes all player penalties. I have been quite adamant about this, especially within PPA. PPA put out a press release demanding its exclusion (it's not part of the Frank bill, so it didn't come up in yesterday's discussion).

IMO, this provision was tossed in as an afterthought to answer a question some will ask on what is being done to deter play on unlicensed sites. It's a foolish proposal in many ways.

Winning players won't have much liability at all, while losing players likely won't pay it (and probably won't even know about it -- it's not like this will be its own line on the 1040 tax form). Furthermore, the IRS wouldn't know when winning players made their rare deposits. Most winning players would have net deposits of $0, as winning players withdraw more than they deposit (by definition). Furthermore, this proposal would erode compliance with payment of other taxes. Those owing it could just decide they should keep quiet about the whole online poker thing altogether.

So, when directed at the players, the proposal fails as an enforcement mechanism. Things like this also alienate the player base, costing backers of the legislation key support. Adding even tougher enforcement mechanisms to this bill could possibly turn it into a ban on poker in opt-out states. Well, why would poker players from those states fight to ban poker in their home states? If anti-poker types wish to ban poker, let them pass their own legislation.

sorry if i missed this in one of the threads, but what happens with player transfers (do they count as a deposit, or something else)?

I'm still not understanding the outrage over the 50% tax for deposits to unlicensed sites under the McDermott bill. Maybe someone can help me understand my logic fail?

First of all, most informed opinion is of the belief that Stars and tilt will get licensed. But even if they don't, it seems likely the market is going to filled with a ton of new sites that are licensed, giving us numerous options. At this point, why would one WANT to play at an unlicensed site. It seems to be Stars and Tilt will just fade away, with or without the 50% tax.

The other point I'd make is that without some sort of penalty for not being licensed, the motivation to become licensed is undermined.

Someone help me here.

well, what are you going to do if you are in an opt-out state?

I believe it has been stated repeatedly that we are going to push hard for the penalty to be removed or, at a minimum, to only apply to states that do not opt-out.

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If a state opts-out, are you saying you should be able to play on a non-licensed site? I also don't understand this issue. I must be missing something.

Presumably by opting out, a state is saying they don't want poker in their state. So I guess to answer your question, I'd live by their laws or move.

I think this is where the common sense breaks down. I believe he's implying he wants to play, even if his state tells him he can't.

I can't beleive people are worried about stars and ftp if this passes. Who cares about them if this passes. There will be so many sites popping up that will be regulated. These sites will have to compete somehow so probably lower rake or other essentives. When is the last time stars/ftp lowered rake? Also all the regulated sites will share a database full of cheaters which will be way better security then sites have now. Be nice have a cheater doing time in jail rather than getting a refund and kicked off one site etc.

LOLOLOLOLOL I love it, you guys still want your cake and to eat it well not going to happen. You want legalized poker this is the bill. FT and PS should go under and will probably find a way to have Lederer go begging to the Government. Probably will have to pay a steep fine and or change the name of the site but something will get worked out. You can't just thumb your nose at paying taxes and obeying laws and expect the US Gov to kow tow to you.

Who cares? You have any idea how much these people have made and how much they dodged paying taxes? Howard and his ilk can more than afford to move location and if he wants to compete he better start making planes to move and tell the Offshore people and Indians goodbye.

So OJ was not convicted of killing his wife, your telling me he didn't do it? The PPA really needs to stop the propaganda and start fighting for the players and not Howard Lederer and Phil Gordon. Who gives a flying rat turd if FT and PS are denied a license? They broke the law, they dodged paying taxes and now they demand to be catered to? This is hogwash. If you want to fight this by trying to get a loophole or petition congress to let them get a license if they pay a huge fine etc so be it but don't tell me your going to fight for them to just be handed a license because you feel they did nothing wrong because they line your pockets.

Money and the dillusion that they would be able to stay offshore and be legalized.



I wonder how those Indians up in Toronto are taking this news LOLOL

You're pretty delusional dude. Its pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about from a legal standpoint. Cool rant though.

Yes. If a state opts out then the federal law should not impose a penalty on players within those opt-out states for playing on unlicensed sites.

If the state itself wants to criminalize and/or penalize online poker playing in statute, that is their prerogative, but the federal legislation shouldn't do their dirty work for them.

Just want to thank everyone in the PPA.

How can we get more interviews like this on Foxnews and CNN??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ade_T96b6dA


I think getting the word out to big news sources is the best way to raise public knowledge, and by doing a quick google news search of this bill, you can see that the kettle is hot right now people to start thinking about regulated online poker.

I'd hate to see the issue water down in the coming months for people who generally haven't given it much attention for the last 4 years.