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Old 03-01-2010, 12:43 AM   #151
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Is there a database that provides more specific details to state regulations? I know California is liberal. (Where I am.) But, just out of curiosity?
Check out http://www.gambling-law-us.com.
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Old 03-01-2010, 12:47 AM   #152
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OP I understand it's only been a little over a day now but just want to remind you that we are anxiously waiting to hear from you, so that you can have your friend talk with and perhaps get some advice/idea from The Engineer.

You may be out of town or something. Please do update this thread as soon as possible though, as there is now this "rumor" (as it is called) circulating around many threads and causing some panic.

The poker community needs further information on this and needs to know if it is an isolated event.

Thanks again, we'll be awaiting your reply.
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Old 03-01-2010, 12:56 AM   #153
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

They may not be interested in the pokerz, but money laundering could be an issue. I wonder if the change in Pokerstar's player transfer policies may be be a preemptive measure.

The legality of the pokerz would be a difficult case to try and win, even with the Washington law. But the moniez could be a target.
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Old 03-01-2010, 01:01 AM   #154
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I had a friend of mine who is a small time online player in Washington contact me last night and say he got a visit from the FBI. They came to question him about his account on Full Tilt poker. He doesn't even have large amounts of money across 4 poker sites. He's an older ex-Navy Seal, and was really surprised that they showed up at his door. So I'm not sure, and he's not sure what's going on, but something is going down.

Just an FYI. I have no idea if anyone else is talking about this yet, or any other players have said they are being questioned.

I don't know if it's directly related to the past seizure or not, but just wanted to give a heads up and see if anyone else has been visited.
Everyone,

There is still no independent confirmation of this. Until PPA, Skall or I receive some real information on this, please treat this as what it is -- an unsubstantiated rumor.
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Old 03-01-2010, 01:04 AM   #155
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Please guys, no more PM's. I don't know anymore about this story than what I've said here, I'm sorry. To clear things up:

1) This story is true.
2) My friend, whom I've known for quite some time, is a part time player. He has a full time career, and the main reason he called me about this situation is because I was probably the one person who plays for a living and runs a poker business that he knows of. He was asking me for advice on what to do, or if I had heard of this occurring before.
3) I wouldn't get overly freaked out. Just keep your ear the the wheel and if there is some on going investigation occurring, I'm sure eventually others will post here.
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I wouldn't get overly freaked out. Just keep your ear the the wheel and if there is some on going investigation occurring
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is exactly why I think The Engineer from the poker players alliance would be a huge asset to your friend.

Thanks
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Old 03-01-2010, 01:20 AM   #156
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OP I understand it's only been a little over a day now but just want to remind you that we are anxiously waiting to hear from you, so that you can have your friend talk with and perhaps get some advice/idea from The Engineer.

You may be out of town or something. Please do update this thread as soon as possible though, as there is now this "rumor" (as it is called) circulating around many threads and causing some panic.

The poker community needs further information on this and needs to know if it is an isolated event.

Thanks again, we'll be awaiting your reply.
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Old 03-01-2010, 05:25 PM   #157
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

i guess i better subscribe, as a WA resident (of record). glad to not be currently residing there now, if ever again.

doomswitch3000: WA is liberal like CA (tho not as much, at least from my observations). for this reason, it is even more embarrassing that WA has taken this stance with regard to online poker.
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:39 PM   #158
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

Most online players I know are already overly paranoid people. Threads like this don't help.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:15 AM   #159
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Pretty cool of the OP to just ignore his thread and the requests that have been made in it. This guy offers services as I understand? Hardly good bus practice to say the least.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:38 AM   #160
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Pretty cool of the OP to just ignore his thread and the requests that have been made in it. This guy offers services as I understand? Hardly good bus practice to say the least.
OP sent me a PM. I'll obviously not share the contents, but I think it's safe to share that doesn't really expand on what was posted here. I sent him a reply asking for the person who claims the actual problem to contact Skall, PPA or me.
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:27 AM   #161
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OP sent me a PM. I'll obviously not share the contents, but I think it's safe to share that doesn't really expand on what was posted here. I sent him a reply asking for the person who claims the actual problem to contact Skall, PPA or me.
obv this was big level and now OP is too embarrassed to come clean
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:42 AM   #162
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You guys act like the OP found big foot or something. What he is describing is what the FBI would to do make a case against a processor or potentially a site. They would get statements from people a processor sent checks to so they can document what the money was for.

We know these processors are getting busted and closed left and right so what's the problem? Ya it sucks but it is very believable. I guess the good news for the sites is they have the deposit methods hidden very well. The money is going in ok, they are just having problems with the withdrawals.

I'd say the chance that this has happened, is happening and will happen again at 100%.

You doubters are just very very naive. No offense.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:20 AM   #163
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We know these processors are getting busted and closed left and right so what's the problem?
Please give a number that you think constitutes "left and right". Thanks.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:27 AM   #164
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Please give a number that you think constitutes "left and right". Thanks.
4 busts, who knows how many shut down in the past year. You can believe what you want about this stuff, but you have to be little bo peep or something to think what the OP is describing isn't happening.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:56 AM   #165
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4 busts, who knows how many shut down in the past year. You can believe what you want about this stuff, but you have to be little bo peep or something to think what the OP is describing isn't happening.
I don't just believe it's happening, I know it's happening. I just don't believe the OP.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:53 PM   #166
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

Hard for any of you to make an intelligent opinion as to whether this happend or not. Certainly not from the details provied here. There are obviously many reasons the person interviewed would not want a lot of exposure.....possibly the men who visited told him not to make the information public. It isn't out of the realm of possiblility that a person doesn't want to risk causing trouble with the FBI by making a public spectacle. Certainly the authorities don't want these types of investigations reported.

If you doubt they are investigating processors (and who knows what else)......Here is an arrest from just last week after banks/FedEx apparently reported a guy doing business as a processor in Florida. He is in jail now.

Feds investigate Naples man in money laundering probe tied to online gambling

FBI Arrests German Man in Illegal Online Poker Payment Processor Operation
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:04 PM   #167
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Here is an arrest from just last week after banks/FedEx apparently reported a guy doing business as a processor in Florida. He is in jail now.

Feds investigate Naples man in money laundering probe tied to online gambling

FBI Arrests German Man in Illegal Online Poker Payment Processor Operation
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Feds investigating Florida man in alleged money laundering/online gambling scheme

Florida processor seized by the Feds
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:05 PM   #168
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OP PMed me today with a little follow-up, but nothing substantive yet. I'm hopeful that the person affected will contact PPA, Skall or me.
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:13 PM   #169
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Thanks for the updates everyone.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:30 AM   #170
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There are obviously many reasons the person interviewed would not want a lot of exposure.....possibly the men who visited told him not to make the information public. It isn't out of the realm of possiblility that a person doesn't want to risk causing trouble with the FBI by making a public spectacle. Certainly the authorities don't want these types of investigations reported.
I guess we can add that to the list of things that didn't get communicated to the OP, seeing how the information ended up being posted to the largest poker forum on the planet.
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Old 03-05-2010, 05:56 AM   #171
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I guess we can add that to the list of things that didn't get communicated to the OP, seeing how the information ended up being posted to the largest poker forum on the planet.
Wasn't this thread posted before that information was out?
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:23 AM   #172
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Wasn't this thread posted before that information was out?
By "that information", if you mean the German processor arrest in Naples, FL, the answer to that is yes.

This thread was started 2/19/10, the arrest came out in the Naples paper on 2/28/10.

The 46-page complaint was sworn to in front of the US Magistrate on 2/17/10.

I think this thread (if true) and the arrest are purely coincidental.
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:23 AM   #173
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Drudge where are you? Big local story is waiting to be written: State of Washington officials are owned by local Native America tribes. Wonder why Washington has the nut-case anti-poker laws? And why is smoking virtually banned EXCEPT in the Indian casinos? BRIBES! BRIBES!! BRIBES!!! It stinks.
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Old 03-18-2010, 03:16 PM   #174
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No new info about this eh?

If true, this would be very important news. So I guess story was a little "half-baked".
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Old 03-19-2010, 09:38 AM   #175
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I think this thread (if true) and the arrest are purely coincidental.
As is the thread with the photo of Phil Gordon and Rep. Spencer Bacchus.
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