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Old 02-20-2010, 01:53 AM   #1
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FBI show up at friends house about FT

I had a friend of mine who is a small time online player in Washington contact me last night and say he got a visit from the FBI. They came to question him about his account on Full Tilt poker. He doesn't even have large amounts of money across 4 poker sites. He's an older ex-Navy Seal, and was really surprised that they showed up at his door. So I'm not sure, and he's not sure what's going on, but something is going down.

Just an FYI. I have no idea if anyone else is talking about this yet, or any other players have said they are being questioned.

I don't know if it's directly related to the past seizure or not, but just wanted to give a heads up and see if anyone else has been visited.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:07 AM   #2
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

I'd be astounded if the FBI ever took any action against some random guy who has a Full Tilt account. Even if they wanted to it'd be silly to make a federal case out of this against someone from Washington when I'm pretty sure state law there makes playing online poker a felony and if they really wanted to it'd be a lot easier to win in Washington state court.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:13 AM   #3
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I'd be astounded if the FBI ever took any action against some random guy who has a Full Tilt account. Even if they wanted to it'd be silly to make a federal case out of this against someone from Washington when I'm pretty sure state law there makes playing online poker a felony and if they really wanted to it'd be a lot easier to win in Washington state court.
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It's seems very unlikely to me the FBI would show up to investigate someone for playing online poker, though I suppose anything is possible. Keep us updated OP with any further info you may find out.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:17 AM   #4
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

Did they have a search warrant or did they just come over for a little chat?
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:20 AM   #5
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

Do you know what the conversation was like?
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:21 AM   #6
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Did they have a search warrant or did they just come over for a little chat?
He did not mention a search warrant, so I assume not.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:23 AM   #7
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Do you know what the conversation was like?
I know little beyond that he was asked about how many sites he played on, how much money he had on FT, and if he'd done any large transfers. I don't know anything else beyond that. I couldn't really talk to him at the time as I was out with my wife. If I get more details though I will post of course.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:25 AM   #8
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

There's no way this is real. Either that or your friend said the FBI when he meant something else....if I recall Washington is the one state that has a law against playing online poker.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:25 AM   #9
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

a) how well do you know this friend
b) how reliable is he
c) what drugs was he on last night
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:26 AM   #10
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No, he wasn't. He sounded quite frazzled when he told me all this. He's not some kid. He's 48 y/o, and a very stand up guy. I wouldn't bother posting this if I didn't believe his story.

Like I said, I'm sure others will be visited, so hopefully they can post more info as it comes and we can piece this together.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:36 AM   #11
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

what other states is online poker illegal to play?
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:36 AM   #12
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

If this isn't just BS and your friend is tell the whole story to you, then he should IMO not talk to them and get an attorney.

I wonder if maybe he has done a lot of large money transactions with online sites and maybe the bank filed a series of SAR's on him or something like that, maybe the FBI is investigating that, though I'm just speculating here.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:49 AM   #13
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

Does friend have a security clearance with a sensitive job? That could be something the FBI would definitely have an interest in.
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Old 02-20-2010, 03:46 AM   #14
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

I really don't know anymore right now. When I get more info, I will post. I'm interested to see if others have been questioned recently.

The main thing my friend was asking me about was the security of his funds. I couldn't advise him on this of course. I don't want to start any kind of panic, so I'm hoping others can add more information as this unfolds.
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Old 02-20-2010, 04:05 AM   #15
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The player in question should contact the PPA. They have a staff that handles this sort of thing.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:22 AM   #16
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Can you ask your friend if he has done a lot of payouts or had any bounced checks?

Here is where it happened before to someone and the guy even posted the agent's business card:

http://forums.eog.com/online-sportsb...-my-47759.html
http://forums.eog.com/online-sportsb...ard-47766.html

They probably got his name through a processor he used that they busted or shut down or whatever.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:29 AM   #17
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Can you ask your friend if he has done a lot of payouts or had any bounced checks?

Here is where it happened before to someone and the guy even posted the agent's business card:

http://forums.eog.com/online-sportsb...-my-47759.html
http://forums.eog.com/online-sportsb...ard-47766.html

They probably got his name through a processor he used that they busted or shut down or whatever.
Your links are about the IRS though, much different situation.

I will talk with him again tomorrow and ask for more details, and post on here.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:30 AM   #18
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If you want to do 'your due diligence', post in legislation
This isn't legislation though. And I don't know more than I shared thus far. I was expecting maybe others had already been approached by agents and could shed some more light that I could share w/ my friend. I guess that's not the case yet.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:32 AM   #19
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

The reason is this, its a felony in Washington. See, without the state law the Feds are hamstrung because the law is "unlawful internet gambling". You can't build a case against FT based on legal online poker and it is legal to play online in most states. But since its illegal in this particular state, this is where you go to build a Federal case against the site.

An online site is vunerable for not blocking out those states whose laws support the definitions in the Federal legislation. Maybe.

At least that is what occurs to me. The FBI would obv. be doing the leg work for the Justice Department if they were doing an assesment of whether or not a case could be brought.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:32 AM   #20
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This isn't legislation though. And I don't know more than I shared thus far. I was expecting maybe others had already been approached by agents and could shed some more light that I could share w/ my friend. I guess that's not the case yet.
I can assure you this information is appropriate for the legislation forum
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Old 02-20-2010, 09:56 AM   #21
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

ex-Navy Seal may be the key. Maybe for a gov job or something.
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:11 AM   #22
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Does friend have a security clearance with a sensitive job? That could be something the FBI would definitely have an interest in.
This. Alternatively, he might have had access to secrets in the past. You don't want your intelligence assets in the hole over large gambling debts.
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:03 AM   #23
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

The most likely way they found OP's friend is from the payment processor. I think they are more likely looking at money laundering and not poker.

OP, can you ask your friend the following.
1. What deposit method did he use and approximately how much was it for?
2. Has your friend withdrawn from FT recently? Again, which method and how much?
3. Is your friends bank a nation wide chain or a local bank?
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:46 AM   #24
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Re: FBI show up at friends house about FT

I suspect an explanation is buried somewhere in the details, assuming this story is true.

It seems highly unlikely the FBI would begin some major anti-online poker operation by questioning some non-famous, small stakes player.

I see little point in speculating beyond that; and I hope the OP gets and posts the details rather than simply lets another "sky is falling" rumor take up space in NVG until it is deleted or ignored.

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Old 02-20-2010, 11:48 AM   #25
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What's with the FBI? Don't they have more serious important thing to do than pissing off online players.
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