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Old 02-03-2010, 08:11 PM   #1
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Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker

This was just posted 5 minutes ago on a site I don't know anything about.

Anything to this? Claims it happened "today."

Link: Mastercard Blocks US Poker, Casino and Sportsbook Deposits, VISA Next?

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Written by Roger S | Thursday, February 4th, 2010

A major form of depositing into poker sites, online casinos and credit cards is by using credit cards by US citizens. This method was blocked today by Mastercard after figuring out how gaming sites were manipulating the coding.

As it was, online gambling sites were supposed to be coded as “gambling” thus not allowed to be used to deposit for US gamblers. According to numerous gambling sites, including the ones we contacted (Doylesroom, Bodog, Absolute Poker, and UltimateBet) Mastercard is not a deposit option anymore. At least not at the moment.

The method of “uncoding” gambling transactions has been figured out by Master Card whom is known for their more proactive efforts in stopping online gaming in the United States. Their counterpart, VISA credit card has yet to figure out how to stop uncoded transactions. VISA is still being used widely by poker and casino players in the USA.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:16 PM   #2
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker

Punch-Counterpunch

The card companies figure out whats going on and block them from gambling sites, the sites then figure out how to get around this till the CC company figures it out and the whole process starts again.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:27 PM   #3
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Possibly true and news... someone just posted this to another forum:

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i want to trade a $100 mastercard giftcard for $100 dollars on Absolute Poker. the card usually works on AP directly but their mastercard processor is down right now.
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... it wouldnt work on PS either...
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:47 PM   #4
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Possibly true and news... someone just posted this to another forum:



and
When I started in 2004 I had a combo of 7 CCs/bank cards and none of them worked...
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:56 PM   #5
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why cant gambling sites just say they are selling something other than gambling like other businesses?
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:59 PM   #6
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why can't they just fix this mess

so much for "personal freedoms" sigh
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:08 PM   #7
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why cant gambling sites just say they are selling something other than gambling like other businesses?
I think that, by itself, is a crime. Also, stars has said they won't do things like that. Of course, sports books will do whatever it takes.
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:40 PM   #8
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker

Intentionally mis-coding a CC transaction is a crime in many places around the globe. But not all. And the seriousness of the crime varies from place to place and often depends on specific circumstances. And also in some places it may be illegal but it may also be un-discoverable, or it may be ignored by 'friendly' officials.

The "whack a mole" game will continue, but right now (and I have no inside information to share) it appears from the reports that MC may have taken the lead.

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Old 02-04-2010, 12:46 AM   #9
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The method of “uncoding” gambling transactions has been figured out by Master Card whom is known for their more proactive efforts in stopping online gaming in the United States. Their counterpart, VISA credit card has yet to figure out how to stop uncoded transactions. VISA is still being used widely by poker and casino players in the USA.
What the are CC deposits at WorldWinner coded as? In most states in America, poker is tantamount to any game WorldWinner offers by its very definition of skill gaming.
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Old 02-04-2010, 02:49 PM   #10
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I haven't been able to deposit via credit card for years. Is this new for non-US people?
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:18 PM   #11
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I would like to see a method that allows people to use PayPal to pay for designated, changing items on ebay, that would then be deposited into their poker accounts.

What is needed is an easy first step, and then have the middle man do the job of getting the money to the specific poker account.

The method now makes the first step too difficult for most U.S. players.

Something like...
  • If a player wants to deposit, they email the Cashier, state how much they want to deposit.
  • Cashier emails them a link for an item on ebay for the appropriate amount. The item, and the seller, are constantly changing.
  • Player buys item, pays with Paypal.
  • Money makes it way, by magic perhaps, to the Cashier, and into the appropriate account.

Unless of course this would violate any applicable statutes. In which case, don't do it. But be more creative than the current method.
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:21 PM   #12
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What the are CC deposits at WorldWinner coded as? In most states in America, poker is tantamount to any game WorldWinner offers by its very definition of skill gaming.
Not quite. WW supposedly tries to make things "fair" for each player in a tournament, which means they would give every poker player roughly the same cards for a given tournament. In many states, WW is banned for real money.
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:06 PM   #13
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I have never been able to use a CC for deposits onto online sites.

I would assume this has little to do with US law and more for profit protection of the companies themselves. If they could keep customers from withdrawing funds for use in any gambling related transaction, online or in brick and mortor, I'm sure they would. I doubt there is great incentive to pay back money one has lost in games of chance and I'm sure there are many that can't

I'm actually surprised CC withdraws work with the ATM's distributed throughout the casino floors
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:30 PM   #14
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker

I'll be scared when they ban visa, never in 4 years could i use my mastercard
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Old 02-04-2010, 06:22 PM   #15
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker

Are they referring to credit cards AND debit cards? Because not being able to use cc's easy is certainly nothing new.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:23 AM   #16
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I had stated in an earlier thread that all US credit cards would soon be blocked. Bobbo (the blue mod guy) basically insinuated I was a crackpot. Someone posted 8 hours later that VISA had followed suit w MC. I was subsequently berated for not my selfishness in not wanting to help the community. I guess warning people about the blocks 24 hours before they happened isn't considered "helping" around here.

Guess this forum isn't "information friendly." If 2 major US payment processors get the cut, that's "news" to me.

Cliffsnotes: yes, VISA has followed suit.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:51 AM   #17
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Barney Frank isnt doing anything Period!
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Old 02-05-2010, 02:16 AM   #18
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I had stated in an earlier thread that all US credit cards would soon be blocked. Bobbo (the blue mod guy) basically insinuated I was a crackpot. Someone posted 8 hours later that VISA had followed suit w MC. I was subsequently berated for not my selfishness in not wanting to help the community. I guess warning people about the blocks 24 hours before they happened isn't considered "helping" around here.

Guess this forum isn't "information friendly." If 2 major US payment processors get the cut, that's "news" to me.

Cliffsnotes: yes, VISA has followed suit.
This is the article that was posted later in the NVG thread.

http://www.egrmagazine.com/news/5147...e-to-pay.thtml

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Rival US card giant Visa is rumoured to have taken a similar measure, although this could not be confirmed at the time of writing.
I don't know if Visa cards are working at the moment, but the article only mentions rumors. Perhaps you could provide some links that they aren't working? That's what a non-crackpot would do.

Cliffnotes: OnceInALifetime = horrible poster
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:42 AM   #19
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The whole ***** point of making a thread is so that people can discuss it, so that we can figure out how widespread the problems are. Are you dense? You're posting on the largest internet gambling forum out there and demanding empirical evidence to back up a theoretical post? The empirical evidence will come from here you dumb ****. The sites post the news, passed down from the companies, and here at 2+2 the players report.

God damn. They tell me people get more clueless every day. I wake up hoping it isn't true, hoping for some change, hoping to stick it to the cynical voice. People like you make it hard.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:02 AM   #20
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The whole ***** point of making a thread is so that people can discuss it, so that we can figure out how widespread the problems are. Are you dense? You're posting on the largest internet gambling forum out there and demanding empirical evidence to back up a theoretical post? The empirical evidence will come from here you dumb ****. The sites post the news, passed down from the companies, and here at 2+2 the players report.

God damn. They tell me people get more clueless every day. I wake up hoping it isn't true, hoping for some change, hoping to stick it to the cynical voice. People like you make it hard.
no, people like you make it hard.

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Rival US card giant Visa is rumoured to have taken a similar measure, although this could not be confirmed at the time of writing.

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Old 02-05-2010, 04:05 AM   #21
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no, people like you make it hard.
Good strategy of deferral. People who know no logic will eat you up.

And by the way, please revise your post so that it doesn't seem I said the last quote; I didn't, that's from an article. While you're at it, link to the article, so that you're not plagiarizing.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:10 AM   #22
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Good strategy of deferral. People who know no logic will eat you up.

And by the way, please revise your post so that it doesn't seem I said the last quote; I didn't, that's from an article. While you're at it, link to the article, so that you're not plagiarizing.
I linked to the article and made the same quote two posts up, I'm sure the readers can figure that one out.

btw, here is a link to a nice doom crying post of this guy's in NVG to give you some flavor


Now that no US players can deposit via credit card, poker will dry up


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Americans can no longer deposit using credit cards.

The games are going to dry up.

discuss.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:10 AM   #23
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Barney Frank isnt doing anything Period!
What more would you have him do?
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:27 AM   #24
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i love how USA is considered a FREE COUNTRY:

35% federal tax
state income tax (can be as high as 10%)
self employment tax 15%/3%
sales tax
property tax

F*** YOU GOVERNMENT.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:31 AM   #25
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The whole point of making a thread is so that people can discuss it, so that we can figure out how widespread the problems are.
True.

The way we do that, however, is by evaluating rumors and other potential developments. Posting rumors as fact is not useful. Stating that "all US credit cards (will) soon be blocked" is not value-added, unless you have knowledge that it will happen (i.e., if you work for a credit card company or a congressman).

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You're posting on the largest internet gambling forum out there and demanding empirical evidence to back up a theoretical post?
Yes, he did. That's part of the discussion that you mentioned earlier in your post.

I think you'll have better luck if you stick to the facts. For example, had you posted "I'm concerned that all US credit cards will soon be blocked...what do you guys think?" or even, "based on this M/C action, I'm concerned that all US credit cards will soon be blocked," the responses would have been more positive and constructive.
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