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2012 GOP platform calls for ban on online gaming, return to pre-Dec. Wire Act interpretation 2012 GOP platform calls for ban on online gaming, return to pre-Dec. Wire Act interpretation

08-28-2012 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
LOL, no the US isn't a dictatorship quite yet, in fact Obama's OLC letter could theoretically be ignored by the DOJ in UT (where the Supreme court ruled that the Wire Act applied to all gambling) right now if they wanted.

Even if Romney put out a new opinion on the Wire Act, it would still take a court ruling to shut down intrastate gaming, and that ruling would need to survive appeal.

If you want to use scare tactics to drum up support for your guy, go with something viable like the fact that Romney would have the authority to block interstate poker compacts since Congress hasn't passed a law authorizing States to make them.

Obama is clearly the better candidate for the State-by-State approach to legalization, just not for the 'Wire Act' red herring.
Most states are not going to care enough about Igaming to go up against the DOJ. Plus, with the expansive interpretation of the commerce clause, there is a good chance the republican view would win.
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08-28-2012 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tangled
Most states are not going to care enough about Igaming to go up against the DOJ. Plus, with the expansive interpretation of the commerce clause, there is a good chance the republican view would win.
Your politics must be clouding your mind if you believe that, the whole idea of Reid/Kyl asking the DOJ to 're-assert their longstanding position that the wire act applied to all gambling' was a sham from the start.

Just as the UIGEA included a carve-out for State regulated internet gaming, the Wire Act included a safe harbor clause under which regulated intrastate gambling could never be in violation:

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Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of information ... for the transmission of information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on a sporting event or contest from a State or foreign country where betting on the sporting event or contest is legal into a State or foreign country in which such betting is legal.
Since regulated intrastate betting by definition is transmitted and received in a State where it is legal, it was never ever in the purview of the Wire Act, the DOJ could have simply said that, but the administration remarkably used the opportunity to remind States that not only would their lottery ticket sales not be in violation, but no other form of internet gambling they chose to regulate would be in violation.

Regardless of whether Romney decides/believes that poker is a sporting event or contest, he can not change the fact that State regulated internet poker will never ever be prosecutable under the Wire Act.
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08-28-2012 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by feihua
When something concerning the GOP comes down to state's rights, if the states do not toe the GOP line, issues are taken to local (town and city) rights. The GOP is much more inclined to follow the attitude of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State.

It is not a good thing. He keeps showing up in Dallas, telling the suburbs want to do (such as telling apartment building owners not to rent to those who cannot speak English) and showing them how to create laws that fit his agenda with the intent to feed national opinion (such as immigration hassles in Arizona, which he orchestrated.)
..... keep in mind that if poker players from Kansas want online poker, they have to play the hand dealt them.

So, what if the Ks. Secretary of State has immigration issues, KANSAS has both a lottery and a B&M casino owned by the Lottery. Also, the Lottery participates in multi-state compacts.

Does it make any sense to poker players from Kansas to federally cut out the MOST likely path they can follow to get online poker in their State ?
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08-28-2012 , 05:30 PM
I submitted two ideas to the GOP Platform site on this issue three weeks ago. They published them...today.

They are at http://www.gopplatform2012.com/job-c...n-online-poker and http://www.gopplatform2012.com/budge...n-online-poker.
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08-28-2012 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
I submitted two ideas to the GOP Platform site on this issue three weeks ago. They published them...today.

They are at http://www.gopplatform2012.com/job-c...n-online-poker and http://www.gopplatform2012.com/budge...n-online-poker.
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08-28-2012 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
I submitted two ideas to the GOP Platform site on this issue three weeks ago. They published them...today.

They are at http://www.gopplatform2012.com/job-c...n-online-poker and http://www.gopplatform2012.com/budge...n-online-poker.
Started a thread in NVG. I think this is important.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...alone-1240133/
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08-28-2012 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisMystery
I am amazed how the 1% spends enough money to get 50% of the people to vote for them.
im also baffled by this. i often wonder how the rich get low and middle class people to vote for them. i think it is because the avg american is pretty dumb
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08-28-2012 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by big gilute
im also baffled by this. i often wonder how the rich get low and middle class people to vote for them. i think it is because the avg american is pretty dumb
"You just don't don't realize how monumentally inept the typical American is."

~David Sklansky
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08-28-2012 , 07:57 PM
http://www.gop.com/wp-content/upload...OPPlatform.pdf

This is the official platform now right, not just a draft anymore? #wontsomebodythinkofthechildren
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08-28-2012 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by big gilute
im also baffled by this. i often wonder how the rich get low and middle class people to vote for them. i think it is because the avg american is pretty dumb
Agreed it is baffling how 1%ers Obama and Joe "3 feet in his mouth''Biden got more than 50% of the vote.Romney built his wealth with his own and investors money.Obama and Biden made theirs peddleing influence and doling out our tax
dollars to special interests.

I'm also baffled at the liberal drool I hear coming from poker players.Successful poker players make their money exploiting the weak,sharks eating the fish.But you want the govt.to take other peoples money and spread it around out of ''fairness''a philosophy you'd never practice in your chosen profession.
The 1% are evil takers but the sharks ballas and bosses making their money through bluffing trapping and bullying are more honorable.
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08-28-2012 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RollWave
http://www.gop.com/wp-content/upload...OPPlatform.pdf

This is the official platform now right, not just a draft anymore? #wontsomebodythinkofthechildren
Yep...no longer draft.
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08-28-2012 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
"You just don't don't realize how monumentally inept the typical American is."

~David Sklansky
“The only way to comprehend what mathematicians mean by Infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity.”

- Voltaire

Voltaire also had a quote that applies well to poker:

“Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game.”

More goodies: http://thinkexist.com/quotes/voltaire/

Skallagrim
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08-28-2012 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyQuixote
..... keep in mind that if poker players from Kansas want online poker, they have to play the hand dealt them.

So, what if the Ks. Secretary of State has immigration issues, KANSAS has both a lottery and a B&M casino owned by the Lottery. Also, the Lottery participates in multi-state compacts.

Does it make any sense to poker players from Kansas to federally cut out the MOST likely path they can follow to get online poker in their State ?
This plank seeks to ban that, too.
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08-28-2012 , 09:51 PM
we're degenerate gamblers and we mainline our family-destroying vice from within our own homes (the ideal incubation chambers for addiction, and child-ruining). we're a symptom of a virus that must be removed from society, and the 2012 republican party has taken it upon themselves to save us from feeling safe playing online poker.. thus ensuring fewer people engage in playing online poker, and succeeding in shaping a society with fewer online poker players (read: fewer UNDESIRABLES).

good luck making some extremely tough* decisions this november, forumusers.

P.S. hang on, lemme just take A BLINK OF AN EYE to link this online casino gambling website to your family's bank account, and then leave your kids unsupervised in front of the EXTREMELY DANGEROUS LIABILITY sitting in your home that you cannot throw away or disable, which we used to refer to as A COMPUTER.
Spoiler:


at least, that's what we called it before obama took over...
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08-29-2012 , 09:03 AM
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http://www.gop.com/wp-content/upload...OPPlatform.pdf

Millions of Americans suffer from problem or
pathological gambling that can destroy families. We
support the prohibition of gambling over the Internet
and call for reversal of the Justice Department’s decision
distorting the formerly accepted meaning of
the Wire Act that could open the door to Internet
betting.
Is this bad? Isn't this exactly what the Reid/Kyl compromise bill will do, but with a carveout for online poker?
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08-29-2012 , 09:07 AM
Tea Party does not compromise.
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08-29-2012 , 09:13 AM
Curious whether Senator Al did anything to try to prevent this from happening?

This is going to make things harder in the lame duck. Particularly if R's control the next government.
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08-29-2012 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Curious whether Senator Al did anything to try to prevent this from happening?

This is going to make things harder in the lame duck only if R's control the next government, including the Presidency, the House and the Senate.
FYP. Otherwise, they'll likely need a compromise bill, like Reid/Kyl, to accomplish their anti-internet-gambling agenda. No bill passed = a proliferation of Internet gambling in many states. They may well take a poker-carveout bill compromise and call it a great victory.
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08-29-2012 , 09:24 AM
Yes, essentially if Romney wins since that's almost certainly coming with an R House and Senate.

EDIT: It doesnt help in the lame duck either way, we're going to need at least some Republican leadership on board to get something done and having a plank banning internet gambling in the GOP platform isnt going to help with that. I understand your point about a compromise bill, but if we pass a Reid/Kyl bill in the lame duck the headline isnt going to be "internet gambling ban strengthened" its going to be "Congress legalizes online poker".
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08-29-2012 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
FYP. Otherwise, they'll likely need a compromise bill, like Reid/Kyl, to accomplish their anti-internet-gambling agenda. No bill passed = a proliferation of Internet gambling in many states. They may well take a poker-carveout bill compromise and call it a great victory.
This is my understanding of the position of GOP senators. The platform change is the first sign I've seen otherwise, and actual momentum and chatter on the Hill has dictated differently.

However, I found the platform change very unsettling.
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08-29-2012 , 09:42 AM
No one pays any attention to the platform. Their own Presidential candidate doesn't even agree with half the **** in their. Platforms are for the extremists in each party to get a woody over.
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08-29-2012 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by antneye
No one pays any attention to the platform. Their own Presidential candidate doesn't even agree with half the **** in their. Platforms are for the extremists in each party to get a woody over.
Yup.

Still rustles my jimmies though.
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08-29-2012 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by antneye
No one pays any attention to the platform. Their own Presidential candidate doesn't even agree with half the **** in their. Platforms are for the extremists in each party to get a woody over.
Excuse me? Are we supposed to be like: "Dear Republicans, its ok for you to declare us idiots and your enemy, we'll vote for you anyway".

WTF man.

Its obvious that we must never vote republicans when it comes to poker. They are the reason for UIGEA and BF. And they want to totally prohibit online poker.

Your arguments is like letting someone shoot you cuz he misses sometimes. Thats just plain stupidity.

I think we and PPA has to publicly declare that the Reps are the enemies of our freedom and must not be voted for. We need to call them religious fundamentalist and declare that they are unamerican and call for anyone with a right mind to not vote for them.
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08-29-2012 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by knircky
Excuse me? Are we supposed to be like: "Dear Republicans, its ok for you to declare us idiots and your enemy, we'll vote for you anyway".

WTF man.

Its obvious that we must never vote republicans when it comes to poker. They are the reason for UIGEA and BF. And they want to totally prohibit online poker.

Your arguments is like letting someone shoot you cuz he misses sometimes. Thats just plain stupidity.

I think we and PPA has to publicly declare that the Reps are the enemies of our freedom and must not be voted for. We need to call them religious fundamentalist and declare that they are unamerican and call for anyone with a right mind to not vote for them.
Taking this approach might satisfy your intellectual honesty, but it reduces the % chance of ever seeing regulated and legalized online poker at a federal level.
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08-29-2012 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by knircky
Excuse me? Are we supposed to be like: "Dear Republicans, its ok for you to declare us idiots and your enemy, we'll vote for you anyway".

WTF man.

Its obvious that we must never vote republicans when it comes to poker. They are the reason for UIGEA and BF. And they want to totally prohibit online poker.

Your arguments is like letting someone shoot you cuz he misses sometimes. Thats just plain stupidity.

I think we and PPA has to publicly declare that the Reps are the enemies of our freedom and must not be voted for. We need to call them religious fundamentalist and declare that they are unamerican and call for anyone with a right mind to not vote for them.
Either do that and accomplish nothing (but feel good), or we could be practical and utilize their hypocrisy against them, Jack Abramoff style, to allow them to pass a bill they can feel good about but allows us to have regulated poker.
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