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What stops users from posting exploits? What stops users from posting exploits?

09-13-2024 , 04:11 PM
If these sites are as exploitable as some claim; what is stopping them from posting the exploit and simply shoving it in our faces?

Is it because they know that if you believe them; they'll likely get banned from whatever site they are exploiting? Is it because the community would metaphorically crucify anyone who made statements without providing proof?

Do you think if someone was cocky enough; they'd find a way to tell us without being direct about it?
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09-13-2024 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucy's Fur
If these sites are as exploitable as some claim; what is stopping them from posting the exploit and simply shoving it in our faces?

Is it because they know that if you believe them; they'll likely get banned from whatever site they are exploiting? Is it because the community would metaphorically crucify anyone who made statements without providing proof?

Do you think if someone was cocky enough; they'd find a way to tell us without being direct about it?
Other than it cuts off their ability to make money and if the exploit is taking advantage of a "flaw" the site has in their code that allows them to cheat they are admitting to the crime of computer hacking. And you can't be a white hat here as you realize the site placed it there deliberately to allow them to cheat then cry it was a flaw if caught.
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09-13-2024 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955
Other than it cuts off their ability to make money and if the exploit is taking advantage of a "flaw" the site has in their code that allows them to cheat they are admitting to the crime of computer hacking. And you can't be a white hat here as you realize the site placed it there deliberately to allow them to cheat then cry it was a flaw if caught.
Ya; probably the money aspect is biggest, but I'd expect a few leaks by now...other than potripper I guess.

You know what though; I bet there are archived threads on here about the potripper situation before it was actually proven. If anyone has links to the 'pre-proven potripper' threads; please link me them here or in a PM - Thank you.
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09-15-2024 , 03:34 PM
I posted one the other day on Reddit and people actually got mad at me so I guess in general people don’t feel like doing it as it is ‘frowned upon’ which I find boring.
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09-16-2024 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyAndy27s
I posted one the other day on Reddit and people actually got mad at me so I guess in general people don’t feel like doing it as it is ‘frowned upon’ which I find boring.
I actually looked up the 'potripper' threads.

Common theme is that if it's not high enough stakes; they don't care and assume complaining user is a 'riggie'; and they do get mad at users that aren't ultra high stakes users. (At one point in a thread a mod came in stating they were banning users who brought up other possible superuser/cheating and blatantly called them 'riggies' in a thread where it was proven at least one user actually was)

Common claim is 'low stakes not worth cheating at' due to 'rake being too high'.

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Whenever the next scandal hits; mark my words -> It'll be at low stakes because that's the one place people refuse to look. It's too easy to claim 'riggie' against any user, and the common shared belief is low stakes rake is too high to be worthy of cheating.

(My POV is that if rake was too high to cheat at microstakes; it'd be too high to cheat at high stakes...so their logic is a fallacy. The rake is the same is the same is the same. % is a % is a %. Sure; it may be a lower profit per hour; but it's safer profit. Nobody takes complains by low stakes players seriously. They have a huge blanket of protection by doing it in low stakes.)

To be clear; there is no difference in rake between stakes. A % is a %. So why are all these users claiming low stakes isn't possible to cheat in due to rake being too high? My POV: They're colluding or doing some small scale cheating; and they want to spread the idea that cheating can't happen at low stakes so they have even more protection. (It's also possible that when they were playing back then; rake was different percent between buy in sizes)
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09-18-2024 , 11:34 AM
Sorry I misread what you were asking specifically but a good example was the whole Paint v Brown thing that spilled out a year or two ago and it seems like people often don’t care if something is ethical or not if they can gain from it imo.
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09-19-2024 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyAndy27s
Sorry I misread what you were asking specifically but a good example was the whole Paint v Brown thing that spilled out a year or two ago and it seems like people often don’t care if something is ethical or not if they can gain from it imo.
I'm not familiar; can you enlighten me?

I found this thread; https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...s-pov-1823115/

but it's an after the fact thread; doesn't quite cover the topic because it assumes you have background knowledge on it.

It appears he paid for a database of hands on the player in order to get a benefit. The way he did it is especially awful, seeing as the data was provided by the player to the coach....but mostly it's on the coach for using the data for another players benefit.

I just watched a video and the guy said he paid for the player pool data; so he could run a solver that solves for the entire player pool. That seemed highly unethical to me; but I also think HUDs are unethical barring the site providing it themselves and users being on same playing field.

I do consider all these examples as exploits; but maybe I'm a bit too wide on my definition.

Thank you for informing me of this incident; I'm fascinated by the layers of exploits.

Last edited by Lucy's Fur; 09-19-2024 at 06:57 AM.
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10-03-2024 , 04:53 AM
Here's an anon pool exploit that works from 50nl to 500nl.

You ready? EVERYONE IS STILL TO THIS DAY OVER FOLDING ON RIVERS! Basically if you bet and any size otr, in nearly any config you just auto pick up like 25% of the pot in essence because pool just doesn't defend properly. "River bets tend to be skewed towards value..."
Yeah, ok.

Get hella ool my lil minions. Go forth and reign river probes, and river check jams with air, and triple barrels even if they make little sense, block for 10% in spots where it isn't a thing. IT'S AN ANONYMOUS POOL! Nobody can punish you. Be maniacal in your deviation.

That is all.
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10-03-2024 , 03:13 PM
If you found a gold mine would you draw a map showing your neighbours it's location.
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10-04-2024 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by stakkedoff
Here's an anon pool exploit that works from 50nl to 500nl.

You ready? EVERYONE IS STILL TO THIS DAY OVER FOLDING ON RIVERS! Basically if you bet and any size otr, in nearly any config you just auto pick up like 25% of the pot in essence because pool just doesn't defend properly. "River bets tend to be skewed towards value..."
Yeah, ok.

Get hella ool my lil minions. Go forth and reign river probes, and river check jams with air, and triple barrels even if they make little sense, block for 10% in spots where it isn't a thing. IT'S AN ANONYMOUS POOL! Nobody can punish you. Be maniacal in your deviation.

That is all.
Bruh; not every pool is anonymous. You should qualify your statement to the relevant websites.
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10-04-2024 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximus122
If you found a gold mine would you draw a map showing your neighbours it's location.
Honestly? No, but I suck at drawing maps. I'd bring them in person.

I'd enjoy the chaos of exposing the exploit more than the money abusing it brings.
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