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11-29-2012 , 10:50 AM
Much better to just live in fantasyland I guess. Haters gonna hate.

You also didnt notice that's not all I bolded.
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11-29-2012 , 04:47 PM
Nothing to see here anymore I guess... gg this year...hello Nevada
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11-29-2012 , 05:14 PM
I used to think gambool was such a pessimist always pulling me down from my hopes, but now I dont blame him. At least when legislation goes nowhere, he isn't let down. And if by chance he’s wrong, than we're all happy including him. I've spent many years in this forum, and really since about 2006 when neteller got shut down, sweating it out, hoping for the right thing to happen, and always let down of course. I'm not one to quit trying, because we still need to voice our stance to the government and fight and I completely disagree with the “bury your head in the sand” sentiment. It's a lot easier not getting my hopes up only to be let down every year. Personally, and it took me a while to adjust, i've accepted the current online climate we have in the usa with the sites we have left to play. I'm actually enjoying online again with the new challenge of tougher fields in lieu of playing higher stakes. Hell I deposited $100 grinding 10nl, building an online roll again enjoying the challenge of playing rather than the money. Took me a while to adjust but it is what it is.
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11-29-2012 , 05:24 PM
Im not a natural pessimist. I was reasonably optimistic about our chances back from like 2008-2010. Im optimistic on other topics. My views have just evolved with the evidence. There's just pretty much no evidence that a good Federal bill is going to pass in 2012 and mounds of evidence that nothing is going to happen this Congress. As you astutely pointed out, that doesn't mean to stop trying.

It also means dont get discouraged when nothing happens this year. It doesnt mean we're failing or not making progress. Its just a multi-decade fight to get poker back to where it was before Black Friday, persistence and patience are needed.
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11-29-2012 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
My views have just evolved with the evidence. There's just pretty much no evidence that a good Federal bill is going to pass in 2012 and mounds of evidence that nothing is going to happen this Congress. As you astutely pointed out, that doesn't mean to stop trying.

It also means dont get discouraged when nothing happens this year. It doesnt mean we're failing or not making progress. Its just a multi-decade fight to get poker back to where it was before Black Friday, persistence and patience are needed.
i'd have to agree and say i feel the same now. I think you were just a year or two ahead of me.
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11-29-2012 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
I don't understand why there aren't more Republicans in favor of the bill when Kyl co-authored the damn thing
Kyl sees this as a pragmatic way to tighten UIGEA while acknowledging political reality by allowing poker licensing. Anti-gaming types, OTOH, simply see this as an expansion of gaming.

This isn't too surprising. Anti-gaming types typically act very reactively. They oppose all bills that expand any gaming in a knee-jerk fashion. If that approach results in a net expansion of gaming, they don't care. They opposed the bill and, in their minds, did their part.
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11-29-2012 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Im not a natural pessimist. I was reasonably optimistic about our chances back from like 2008-2010. Im optimistic on other topics. My views have just evolved with the evidence. There's just pretty much no evidence that a good Federal bill is going to pass in 2012 and mounds of evidence that nothing is going to happen this Congress. As you astutely pointed out, that doesn't mean to stop trying.

It also means dont get discouraged when nothing happens this year. It doesnt mean we're failing or not making progress. Its just a multi-decade fight to get poker back to where it was before Black Friday, persistence and patience are needed.
Chances of a federal bill passing this lame duck have dropped significantly over the past month. The lawmakers who want this better get to work if they wish to pass it.
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11-29-2012 , 09:46 PM
Rich does the PPA have any inside track on our chances? Reid and Kyl have been pretty enigmatic about this whole thing. Very frustrating for poker players.
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11-29-2012 , 10:32 PM
ohhhhhh, NOW I get it.

yeah we're really ****ed, guys. TOTALLY not gonna make it

time to just move on to state by state before December even starts. DEAD AS A DOORNAIL.

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11-29-2012 , 11:15 PM
If we end up failing at least we will have some epic ScreaminAsian rants to look forward to.
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11-30-2012 , 12:33 AM
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If we end up failing at least we will have some epic ScreaminAsian rants to look forward to.
oh I'm sure we'll see a lot of solid productive contribution from the guys who have had this incredible foresight for so long. I mean that's a lot of time to be able to plan ahead if you really think that's how it's gonna go down; they probably have loads of great ideas saved up.
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11-30-2012 , 12:50 AM
7 State Lottery Chiefs to Protest Reid-Kyl Internet Poker Bill in DC Next Week

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ek-112912.html

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"The purpose of the trip is to just get our message out that gaming is a right that belongs to each individual state and it's up to each state to determine not just the games they offer but the manner in which they are offered to their players," Gale said Wednesday
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The push back really begins.

OBG
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11-30-2012 , 01:17 AM
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7 State Lottery Chiefs to Protest Reid-Kyl Internet Poker Bill in DC Next Week

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ek-112912.html

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The push back really begins.

OBG
This confirms to me why we need federal legislation. It's obv the lotteries interest is for state because they have more power and control to block the competition. They know federally they're screwed. However, i think they're being selfish and online poker won't hurt the lottery too much. Typical usa politics.

imo
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11-30-2012 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by oldbookguy
7 State Lottery Chiefs to Protest Reid-Kyl Internet Poker Bill in DC Next Week

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ek-112912.html

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The push back really begins.

OBG
If the federal bill fails, this attention could be the best thing ever for state bills in 2013.
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11-30-2012 , 02:42 AM
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7 State Lottery Chiefs to Attempt to Protect Their Monopoly in DC Next Week

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ek-112912.html

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The push back really begins.

OBG
FYP
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11-30-2012 , 01:38 PM
More and more you realize how things work, it's unavoidable to get jaded about this system.

And it makes it worse when they try to paint a picture of "how they are trying to protect us".

Even a blind monkey can see this is all about greed...
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11-30-2012 , 02:18 PM
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If the federal bill fails, this attention could be the best thing ever for state bills in 2013.
Yes, while there will likely be a need for some type of Federal Bill in the future, IMO getting some states up and running first, then have congress make it easier for states compact both privately and lottery (maybe the easiest way for states to offer I-Poker) would be ideal.

Then the congress could deal with that old WTO case and perhaphs allow a system where states could contract with established sites to solve the problem AND prevent futures WTO cases on the matter.

OBG
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11-30-2012 , 02:29 PM
OBG,

Governors are paying attention now, too. Let's all be sure we're letting them know to support poker. I'm including them in the action plan, so let's all ensure we're being heard here!
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11-30-2012 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by oldbookguy
Yes, while there will likely be a need for some type of Federal Bill in the future, IMO getting some states up and running first, then have congress make it easier for states compact both privately and lottery (maybe the easiest way for states to offer I-Poker) would be ideal.

Then the congress could deal with that old WTO case and perhaphs allow a system where states could contract with established sites to solve the problem AND prevent futures WTO cases on the matter.

OBG
I think this scenario requires even more optimism than hoping R/K passes.

We will all find out soon enough.

Skallagrim
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11-30-2012 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Skallagrim
I think this scenario requires even more optimism than hoping R/K passes.

We will all find out soon enough.

Skallagrim
certainly.
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11-30-2012 , 03:19 PM
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I think this scenario requires even more optimism than hoping R/K passes.

We will all find out soon enough.

Skallagrim
Well, we know states are interested, on THEIR terms and we KNOW they are opposed to the draft terms of Kyl / Reid.

I have LESS optimism in state interest in the latter.

OBG
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11-30-2012 , 03:21 PM
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OBG,

Governors are paying attention now, too. Let's all be sure we're letting them know to support poker. I'm including them in the action plan, so let's all ensure we're being heard here!
Very true, and with all these new players in the mix IPO a federal bill addressing these concerns in a short session are near nil.

Senators and Reps when pressured by their respective governors will listen to them; afterall, they are their to represent states interests as well (especially Senators).

OBG
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11-30-2012 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketragz
This confirms to me why we need federal legislation. It's obv the lotteries interest is for state because they have more power and control to block the competition. They know federally they're screwed. However, i think they're being selfish and online poker won't hurt the lottery too much. Typical usa politics.

imo
Of course they are selfish but I believe they are against Kyl/Reid not so much because poker is competition for the lotteries but because Kyl/Reid will prevent the state lotteries from offering much online including scratch off tickets.
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11-30-2012 , 07:51 PM
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Of course they are selfish but I believe they are against Kyl/Reid not so much because poker is competition for the lotteries but because Kyl/Reid will prevent the state lotteries from offering much online including scratch off tickets.
Very well could be. I dont know enough about kyl/reid to say you're right or wrong, but just assumed the lotteries interests would be protected since it seems like it's under the governments wing. I say this as someone who has seen the bs we poker players have put up with since 2006 and living in texas who's governor vows not to expand gambling and acts like he's against it, but yet has the lottery in our state.
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11-30-2012 , 08:48 PM
You should take a look at r/k then. TX interests are probably protected since they have no intentions of expanding. But any state looking to expand their lottery online, in almost any fashion, will be stopped dead in their tracks by r/k.
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