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I'm not concerned with protecting the suckers. But I do care more about protecting them than protecting sharks from those that have figured out how to exploit them.

Nit me that's like protecting seals from sharks. Sure seals are cute little buggers but you're mucking with the natural echo system.

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05-22-2024 , 02:54 AM

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Polarbear1955

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Nit me that's like protecting seals from sharks. Sure seals are cute little buggers but you're mucking with the natural echo system.

No it is the sharks that want to forbid short buys as it allows a different type of predator to prey on them that want to muck with the natural ecosystem.

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05-22-2024 , 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955

No it is the sharks that want to forbid short buys as it allows a different type of predator to prey on them that want to muck with the natural ecosystem.

The issue with short stacking is it dumbs the game down and protects the bad player from making costly mistakes Bad SS players aren't expoiting anyone but its tougher for the skilled player to exploit them. Also I doubt even 1knl+ crushers spend a lot of time coming with strats to exploit people buying in for 40bb. Isn't it suicide to play a SS strategy at the micros anyway seems like the rake would be impossible to overcome as it's gonna be a much larger percentage of your average pot. Personally I walk if the table has more than 1 ss player or a SS player has position on me. Nothing like opening a mid pair UTG and having some person 3bet jam for 30bb.

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05-25-2024 , 01:56 AM

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Always fun when someone admits short stacking allows a good player to exploit them and even describes how they do it but then claims that is not why they oppose short stacking. Stop giving excuses and pretending they are your reasons. You even admit if a SS player has position on you you quit; hate it when there is a predatory strategy designed to prey on you but you preying on the fish of course is just and proper. Guess what the SS players preying on you is equally just and proper and better for the ecosystem.

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05-25-2024 , 06:55 AM

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Do you not understand short stacking fundamentally changes the game? I don't leave because I think the gut 3bet shoving Q5 off for 30bb has an advantage over me. I leave because it mucks up dynamics with the entire table . Also it isn't a strategy, strategy imples skill or thought. It takes no skill to change the buying amount to 40bb some of the ss players i ruh into literally don't know how to add on. One will wind up with 5bbs and instead of adding on they'll just keep playing until they bust then re-buy. At least at 50nl and below I would argue most shorties are simply scared money who don't even understand how playing short gives them advantage.

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05-25-2024 , 11:15 AM

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So your proof that there is no strategy to shortstacking is that many naive shortstackers do it wrong?

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05-25-2024 , 08:19 PM

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So your proof that there is no strategy to shortstacking is that many naive shortstackers do it wrong?

I'm sure theirs some rudimentary strategy to doing it well

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Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. -- Schiller

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Alan Bostick loves calling other people stupid but you read his posts and realize his brain is very clearly under developed lol

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Yes I understand that short stackers make your exploitive plays vs the fish much less profitable as their strategy is based on exploiting your strategy which is designed to exploit a common type of fish. I agree most shorties; just like most who buy in big, are not very good players as by definition most players are not very good. I feel as much sympathy for you getting exploited as you feel for those you exploit.

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This has been explained to you multiple times now but I will try once more.

Nobody is exploiting anybody who's half decent short stacking. You just fold a couple opens and 4bet jam hands that are slightly ahead of there 3 bet range. There is not much substance to the strategy or much to think about. Therefore it becomes a wash like scenario where you and your opponent both lose to the rake. Waste of time.

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The trouble with your "analysis" is it is wrong. ALL exploitive strategies; including yours vs the fish, are based on the victim not properly opposing it. You are just a shark whining that a different predator eats you rather than also eating the fish. Now you are correct it is easier to eat you as your desire to maximally exploit the fish leaves you very vulnerable to a strategy designed to eat you.

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