Hi, so I just moved to Amsterdam from Australia on a one year working holiday visa, I have been playing poker for 5 years in aus where it is not taxed and I figured I could just continue to do that in the Netherlands...I'm seeing some conflicting information regarding taxes and I'm not sure what the current state of legislation is regarding it...I know live poker isn't taxable but I'm not sure about online poker. In practice what is it like? do Dutch players pay tax? I know some players were challenging outdated legislation but I can't seem to find any good info.

Thanks for any help!

There is a complex proposal for liberalising remote gambling in the Netherlands in play at the moment. The taxes for the firms look harsh.

http://calvinayre.com/2014/07/11/bus...2-of-turnover/

The baseline which I think is still real is 29% tax on remote poker winnings. The detail is here in this 2010 article, a good couple of paragraphs on Holland alone that I will not copy and paste here as it is their content

http://www.gaminglaw.eu/news/taxatio...ker-in-europe/

Live poker is also a bit more complicated - Dutch live tournies get taxed via the tournament and dutch players participating in foreign tournies are subject to a 29% tax.

I'm sure there is more detail but its not tax free.

Thank you, thank you, I might see if there is a different visa I can get approved for as the idea of paying 29% isnt as appealing but if I can geta student visa for a language course or something it might be worthwhile.

Cheers

You're saying you moved to the Netherlands for a year without researching the taxation of your craft first and are now trying to cheat the tax man? Good luck!

Will the Dutch be playing in a segregated player pool?

No

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/0...ands-17710.htm

Thanks.

So richas, if I understand this correctly, the articles are stating that the tax on online poker atm is 29% but will probably drop down due to online poker being recognized as a game of skill?
Also, does the tax on online poker have to be paid by everyone? For example, a regular who cashes out $3000 a month has to pay 29% tax over that amount. A recreational player that occasionally cashes out some money, let's say $1000 once every 6 months, also has to pay the 29% tax right?

I always thought that in the Netherlands, the 29% tax was only for the regs whose primarily income was from poker. I guess that's false then?

Your reading is the same as mine except I don't think it is cashouts it is profits and/or tournament wins and the proposed lower tax is online vs casinos rather than skill but I haven't really dug.

Sorry but I have given all I have on Dutch personal tax, on regulations or firm tax I might dig a bit more because those are relatively common in that they deal with the same thing - online gambling and the trend is convergence (see for example the Dutch/Malta LGA letter of intent this week http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/1...-lga-19926.htm ) but personal taxes in different countries I don't plan to live in are not really my bag.

Personal tax is a complex nightmare in every country, dipping in to one bit of it say gambling is just too much like hard work for every jurisdiction as the risk is that you just don't have the base knowledge of how the rest works to make any real sense of it.

Will the Netherlands be subject to the new VAT taxes going live in Europe Jan 1?

The change on European VAT is that instead of the VAT rules applying as they are where the site is based the VAT will apply based upon the player's location.

This means VAT for Germany and France but NOT the UK.

Somewhere buried in Holland's tax code is whether gambling is non VAT but I can't be 100% certain...but I think the 29% gambling levy is instead of the 21% VAT.

Also when Stars announced that they would be charging for rebuys and add ons for some countries due to tax Holland was not highlighted as one where they would charge...Germany, UK*, Belgium, Bulgaria and Denmark were listed


* UK outrageously as VAT on the pool will not be charged the UK tax is just on the net charge after VIP not a charge on the prize pool as with the VAT.

any news regarding current situation?

How sick is that... Taxes on winnings

Hello 2+2 community!

Does anybody knows what has changed since this ?

What would be the course of action for someone moving to the Netherlands? Wat is the fiscal situation of poker players there now? Should earnings be declared and not taxed? Or should a poker player just be discret and hope the above-mentionned ruling will help in case of trouble?

Best of luck to all.