I live in FL. I was there when the limits were removed on July 1st. The games were some of the best I've ever played in at the 10/25NL level.

I made 7k my first session and didn't even run that great. Needless to say, I can't wait for it to happen again.

I realize that it may never go back to the beautiful 4 days we had in early July. However, I want to be ready to jump on it early if it comes back around.

My problem is this...I've been postponing taking a poker trip for 7 weeks now, in hopes that the Hard Rock will be allowed to have those juicy games again. I am paranoid that as soon as I leave town for L.A., they will get the juicy games back.

Does anyone have any clue as to whether or not it is "safe" for me to leave town for a week on Monday or so? Does anyone think it might go through next week? Advice is welcome.

Thanks.

Quote "Class III gaming could be revoked."
never happen. whether signitures to get it put on the ballot where fraudulent or not. It still passed a vote. Just another group of idiots trying to stop our fun. Soulvamp you must work at the track thats why you dont want indians to get full gambling.

No, I don't. I oppose it on ethical principal. As I said before, I think it stinks that the Indians are given such latitudes now just because their ancestors made a bad business deal a couple of centuries ago.

Besides, the Seminoles have never signed a treaty. Technically, we're still at war with them.

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As I said before, I think it stinks that the Indians are given such latitudes now just because their ancestors made a bad business deal a couple of centuries ago.

Besides, the Seminoles have never signed a treaty. Technically, we're still at war with them.

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How could their ancestors have made a bad deal if they never signed a treaty.

What will indians do when gaming is mainstream? After factoring out narrow self-interest, I don't really like seeing indians get the special treatment either. They're going to go back to being poor people stuck on bad land a long way from jobs or education. Sorta like Arabs when the oil runs out.

anyone know what is going on!!!havent seen any info anywhere on the net or the papers regarding the current status. last i heard they moved the deadline to sept 21 and no word since????thought someone would have a position by now. todays sentinal said boyd pushed back completion date of dania jai lai to the end of 2009...thats it

Well here is the BAD NEWS reguarding Poker & the Indian Compact.

The final draft of the compact contains the following under Paragraph L.

"L. The Tribe shall conduct Poker in compliance with all provisions of Florida law,including restrictions on ante and pot amounts.
However each facility may hold up to 4 tournaments per year that are not subject to the restrictions/limitations imposed by Florida law, provided that the net win from each tournament is donated to a charitable orginazation,organized persuant to 501(c)(3).

The new deadline for the Compact to be signed is Sept. 30th and contains a Paragraph stating it will be put to a vote by the Legislature to ratify it.If the Legislative Branch votes it down or attempts to change it the Indians can void it or have the option to agree to any changes in writting.

The Compact still allows Class III Slots and "Card Games" as defined in the original Draft of the Compact and prohibits Craps and Roulette ect.

So the Indian casinos will have to run the card rooms under the same restrictions currently in place at the Parimutuals!
Unless or untill the limits are raised at the Parimutals,
(I have heard rumors of the Max buy in being raised to $300).

If the Compact is voted down and voided,the Department of the Interior will almost certainly Rule the Indians have the right to operate Class III slots and the state will recieve $0.

That sucks.

All the dealers in Tampa are saying the same thing, apparently passed on from up above: they claim higher stakes poker (as seen on July 1st) and slots are in the bag, and that they're still negotiating the rest.

It's a rumor, but at least it's one backed by more than one schmuck dealer.

THIS JUST IN!!!

There is yet ANOTHER DEADLINE announced for the South Florida Seminole casinos. They involve the two Hard Rock casinos. A deal has been reached to finally resolve on October 6 which of the two casinos smell less like feces. There will be judges, senators, and I even heard the governor himself will be in attendance for this historical event. Depending on the outcome, the Seminoles and the House will vote and we should have class III gaming in, oh I'd say.... a few months.

Crist negotiations with Seminoles to resume Monday

Cliff's notes: Nothing's going to happen before the lawyers spend a few years sucking the taxpayers' teat.

IMHO........

Regardless of what happens with the compact, the seminoles will interpret the actual legislation to mean "required buyin not to exceed $100".......you guys remember the wording? It sounded like the min buyin....besides they already have an $1100 Big Slick tourney which is not in compliance with current state law.....they were running that pre 7/1 ..... so IMHO....if they feel they are getting jerked around to long, they will push the envelope again with higher buyins......wishful thinking??? Opinions??

Of cousre this can never make up for the revenue they would generate with table games.....

My thoughts are changing re: Seminoles .... I think the Governor needs to be careful that he doesn't screw the parimutuals and future gambling interests in the state...

The thing that pisses me off the most is that the Florida Lottery is the biggest joke of all......How many people that don't have a pot to piss in throw their money away on that nonsense every day?? Also, how many of the Anti-Gambling people are tossing their money at the Lottery every day.........supporting education my ass!! They don't even have enough books for the kids to take them home in public school.....

Sorry about rambling, scattered thoughts.......

BTW... The Parimutals are getting taxed ridiculously on the slots...

Also, people are throwing money at machines that are designed to take your money...house edge is ridiculous....IMHO

That's a shock!

The only thing worse than a private lawyer is a career government lawyer. Sorry to all my lawyer friends.

D$D

October 2nd Sun-Sentinel Update

Now Governor Crist thinks that a deal will be reached within a month....I'm now leaning towards the "over".

It appears that the new compact will eliminate 24 hour poker in Florida:

The Tribe shall conduct poker in each of its Facilities in compliance with
provisions of Florida law that limit hours of operation, wagers and pot sizes. However,
the Tribe may hold up to 6 celebrity/charity poker tournaments per year in each of its
Facilities that are not subject to the limitations/restrictions imposed by Florida law,
provided that a minimum of 70 percent of the Net Poker Income from each poker
tournament is donated to a charitable organization organized pursuant to 501(c)(3) of the
Internal Revenue Code.

Any thoughts?

That's my reading of it.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW....LOTS OF JOBS WILL BE LOST IF THE POKER ROOMS HAVE TO GO TO 12 HOUR OPERATIONS.

Several dealers that I know of intentionally work the late shifts because they want to be home when their kids come home from school, and so that they can go to baseball practice and so on.

YEP THIS IS GOING TO BE ROUGH

someone please post link to latest compact. Rubio will shoot down compact anyway if it has blackjack etc. on it. so hours would not change then right?

Here is the link:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/ac...0/32951986.pdf

Take a look at Section V. (L.)

I believe this was done to appease the Parimutuels.
Since this allows a casino to offer any 12 hours, some casinos that are not doing as well (Dania Jai ALai, Old Hollywood Seminole Casino) may change their hours to capture the late night early morning crowd.

I feel that in Hollywood, you might see the old casino offer poker in the AM and Hard Rock in the PM.

Good for the Parimutuels, bad for poker players in the state.

By the way the proposed rules are out regulating poker in Florida:

http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pmw/docume...-2007-09-28.pdf

Nothing crazy imo. If the Indians sign the compact, they will agree to the same types of rules seen here. If not, 24 hour poker will continue and they also may try to increase stakes due to their liberal interpretation of Florida legislative law.

If you are a poker fan you may not want the compact to pass. Or if it does pass, the pari mutuels will be hurt throughout the state and may pressure the legislature to liberalize poker rules further with respect to hours, buy in and bet size. It's hard to say how this will play out.

The other thing that is interesting is that Dade and Broward will have a special carve out in the exclusivity clause. Basically, what is says is that pari-mutuels in Dade and Broward can also offer Class 3 games and as long as the Seminoles do $1.37 BN in profits (in 7 casinos that should not be difficult) the Seminoles will still have to pay the state. This, to me, anticipates that Dade and Broward will be able to offer full Class III gaming in the future. If you are in another county in Florida it will be a long time before Class 3 will come outside of the Indian Casinos.

I was sceptical of some of the information I was hearing from the employees at the paramutual sites. They said they were looking for more gambling options and increased hours.

Perhaps they plan on increasing their hours also which would please both the seminoles and them and make the seminoles less effected by the clause.


I don't see how the paramutuals could change anything else like the limited buy in or getting table games without it getting on a ballot though. (but I could easily be wrong)

Deadline extended to consider Seminole casino proposal
October 6, 2007

The U.S. Department of the Interior has extended until Oct. 15 its deadline to consider giving the Seminole Tribe of Florida permission to have Las Vegas-style slots in its casinos.

Gov. Charlie Crist and tribal officials are continuing to negotiate a compact that would expand the tribe's gambling rights and agree on giving the state a cut of the profits.

Both sides have said they hope to reach a deal within a month. In a letter from federal officials to Crist, released Friday by the state, Carl Artman, the assistant secretary for Indian Affairs, wrote that he had been told negotiations are going well.

Federal officials have warned the state that if it can't reach an agreement with the tribe, the federal government could step in and permit the tribe to have the slots. The state would then get no cut.

It should be noted that The Dept. of the Interior has already stated that they would greatly prefer the tribe and the State reach an agreement on their own. They've gone so far as to say that, as long as negotiations are ongoing, seem to be in good faith and are making progress, they would not step in and impose their judgment in the matter.

In any event, there will not be a positive impact on the poker landscape.

Anyone hear anything new on this lately?

However, it appears that any result will end up in court with big delays.

See linked article from 10/16/07


SunSentinel Article 10/16/07