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11-29-2012 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jackaaron2012
It's like picking an issue to be upset about just to pick one to be upset about.
Welcome to the 2+2 worlds of DQ and LG.
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11-29-2012 , 05:01 PM
Lol at thinking Im upset about it.

Pretty sure the point I was making went over the head of pretty much everyone besides DQ and TE. Such is life.
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11-29-2012 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Lol at thinking Im upset about it.

Pretty sure the point I was making went over the head of pretty much everyone besides DQ and TE. Such is life.
Maybe because those are the only two here still reading your posts?
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11-29-2012 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jackaaron2012
Doesn't the PPA publish, in some official manner, all of it's positions?

Why would it matter if board members discussed, and in fact, openly criticized/praised aspects of an issue? Aren't they going to do that anyway before the PPA finalizes it's official position? And, aren't some board members going to disagree with the official position?
+∞

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It's overly dramatic to be upset that board members go public with their thoughts on issues, IMHO. It's like picking an issue to be upset about just to pick one to be upset about.
I don't think "upset" is the correct word (imo). Some posters have an emotional reaction whenever there's a sweat, elections, or anything else that comes up regarding a poker bill, and they react by taking shots at the PPA (imo). Other posters have to prove their superiority by taking shots (cheap and otherwise) at the PPA whenever they get a chance (imo). In some cases that's every waking hour (imo).

I don't mind posters disagreeing with the PPA whatsoever, as long as it's civil, productive debate. What I don't like are the cheap shots, verbal abuse, vitriol, stating opinions as undeniable facts (and stating anyone who disagrees has an agenda, is an idiot, or both), and claims that the PPA is engaging in the aforementioned tactics whenever they simply disagree with someone.

Otherwise, again, to your post: +∞
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11-29-2012 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NeBlis
Cliffs guys... is this gonna happen or not? gimme a % chance.
Chances of a federal bill passing this lame duck have dropped significantly over the past month. The lawmakers who want this better get to work if they wish to pass it.
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12-02-2012 , 07:29 AM
Convenience stores, lotteries face off over Reid’s online poker bill
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“They just don't buy lottery tickets when they're in a store. They buy a cup of coffee. They fill up their tank,” Beckwith said. “I would prefer that they ban everything but this bill is far, far better than nothing being banned. If Reid's bill doesn't pass, the lotteries will try to put a casino in everyone's living room.”
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“What they did is really open up what I think will be the largest expansion of gambling in the United States ever unless Congress acts,” said Frank Fahrenkopf, president and CEO of the American Gaming Association.
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“Unfortunately, we are still looking for more Republican support, as only Senators [Dean] Heller [Nev.] and Kyl have indicated their support for the bill,” said a Senate Democratic aide.
Kyl is retiring from the Senate, and with more states expected to move into online gambling, Washington may be too late to the game by next year.
“The best chance would be clearly the lame-duck,” Fahrenkopf said. “If nothing happens, we will have to regroup and prepare for the next Congress, but we are hopeful something will get done now.”
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12-02-2012 , 11:00 AM
I guess that article indicates the bill is still alive at least. Now it will come down to which groups (for and against) has the most money, power, and influence on the Hill to push their side through.
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12-03-2012 , 01:48 PM
http://www.americangaming.org/newsro...l-online-poker

Looks like the American Gaming Association is making a final push.

-WOL
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12-03-2012 , 01:58 PM
Not sure if I'm for or against this bill but the whole drama is interesting.
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12-03-2012 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wol
http://www.americangaming.org/newsro...l-online-poker

Looks like the American Gaming Association is making a final push.

-WOL
So the states don't want it because it limits their options.

AMA wants it because it limits state options.

Wonder who's going to win?
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12-03-2012 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sba9630
+...

I don't mind posters disagreeing with the PPA whatsoever, as long as it's civil, productive debate. What I don't like are the cheap shots, verbal abuse, vitriol, stating opinions as undeniable facts (and stating anyone who disagrees has an agenda, is an idiot, or both), and claims that the PPA is engaging in the aforementioned tactics whenever they simply disagree with someone.
Otherwise, again, to your post: +∞
I don't think ANYONE has ever claimed that the PPA engages in the sort of personal rants/smears you decry. Rather the concern is that one Board member's proclivity for such smear tactics and smoke screens discredits the organization and creates some misperceptions about the PPA.

Maybe it would help your blood pressure if you understood the difference between

(a) the PPA posting something subtantive, versus

(b) someone, who also sits on the Board, personally posting, even if those personal posts are "passing thoughts, or remarks", which are often "cheap shots, verbal abuse, vitriol, stating opinions as undeniable facts (and stating anyone who disagrees has an agenda, is an idiot, or both)".

You seem confused whether there is a difference between (a) "PPA posts", like those from John P and generally TE, and (b) personal posts by someone who sits on the Board.

THAT sort of confusion is what should concern folks who want an effective, frank communication, instead of random claims posted in "passing thoughts or remarks", followed by defensive, reactive paranoia when such unfounded claims are subject to scrutiny.

(It isn't "PPA posts" that concern me; rather it is a loose cannon rolling down Capitol Hill while vehemently denying the dangers of accepting a clearly legislated federal Ban for fragile dependence upon a likely unConstitutionally flawed "opt-in" mechanism. That was a political Fool's bargain and defended by such, by resort to personal rants.)

FWIW, Thanks for illustrating clearly the perception problem, by sharing your misperceptions.

Last edited by DonkeyQuixote; 12-03-2012 at 08:54 PM.
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12-03-2012 , 10:50 PM
12-04-2012 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by zoomie123
So the states don't want it because it limits their options.

AMA wants it because it limits state options.

Wonder who's going to win?
smart money is on the States...

- WOL
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